Gertrude Hudson Interview Audio

00;00;00;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: Gertrude Hudson.

00;00;08;25 - Unknown Interviewer:: what is your name?

00;00;10;02 - Gertrude Hudson:: Maiden name? Jesse Dawson. Yeah, I know this man.

00;00;16;26 - Unknown Interviewer:: And, when were you born?

00;00;20;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: Late December 20th, 1899. I’m born Menominee, Michigan.

00;00;28;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: Nominee. And you know.

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00;00;39;23 - Unknown Interviewer:: Did you have any nicknames?

00;00;41;21 - Gertrude Hudson:: No. It’s always great.

00;00;44;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: All these pictures and, when you, first come to Idaho and.

00;00;52;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: November 1900, one and October 1900, one.

00;00;59;13 - Unknown Interviewer:: And, I take it your family brought you. Yes.

00;01;04;23 - Gertrude Hudson:: My father’s number moved and heard in Michigan. And you came to hear us in the course that was, a best number in town and died in Idaho for our mills. And it was a very good place.

00;01;20;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: And, how did they bring you out?

00;01;24;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: We came out on the northern shipping from.

00;01;26;04 - Unknown Interviewer:: The Northern Pacific and, this was to.

00;01;32;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: To their us to Harrison. We went into Spokane and then took Pacific and Spokane into to Harrison, my dad, but my mother and my brother and me and Spokane.

00;01;45;28 - Unknown Interviewer:: And from Spokane got broken up in two halves. And it’s great to have some.

00;01;52;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes.

00;01;53;22 - Unknown Interviewer:: And there’s any pre arrangements or did you just we just the Harrison and did you folks talk about it.

00;02;03;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well my father landed in Harrison on 6th of September in 90, 1901, the day that Queen Victoria died and he got himself a job on the house he sent for my mother to the family.

00;02;27;23 - Unknown Interviewer:: And then, you were raised in Harrison?

00;02;30;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes. I had all my my grade school and high school in Harrison. And then I went to a normal school.

00;02;39;10 - Unknown Interviewer:: hospital, community service. And I got acquainted with that.

00;02;43;14 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, Harrison was, Oh, I think when we went there, there were about a thousand, we would be about 1500. Now, I think we have to stretch it to find 500 in the summertime, where there are more people, because it’s becoming quite a summer resort now.

00;03;07;18 - Unknown Interviewer:: hum. and did you have, brothers and sisters now? You talked about you two brothers and,

00;03;17;05 - Gertrude Hudson:: One older one and.

00;03;19;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: Right in the middle of the family room. what was, where are your folks from originally?

00;03;28;05 - Gertrude Hudson:: My father was born in Tehran, in Wisconsin. Those people came from Holland before the Revolution and settled in Pennsylvania. And then they moved to Wisconsin. My mother was born in Iran, Germany, France, five miles from here. in western boundary line between Luxembourg and France and Germany.

00;04;03;22 - Unknown Interviewer:: can you describe, some of the things that your brothers and sisters did when you were children?

00;04;09;20 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh, plain. All kinds of games. Baseball. They had trampolines. we did a lot of fishing or on the program. with to boating and or things that kids do in a small home.

00;04;33;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: you were you were expected to finish high school and, go on or.

00;04;39;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes. When my older brother took those first two years of Washington State College and those last two years at Idaho, he wanted to be a forester. I moved the forestry school from Pullman, the branch there, from there to Seattle to Washington. And he didn’t want to be so far away from home. So he went to available.

00;05;09;07 - Unknown Interviewer:: But, there wasn’t any difference between you and your brothers. I mean, they expected you to do as much as your brothers.

00;05;16;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh yes. And to,

00;05;18;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: To go on

00;05;21;23 - Gertrude Hudson:: Also had equal opportunities.

00;05;29;15 - Unknown Interviewer:: would

00;05;36;28 - Unknown Interviewer:: So you went to lose the normal others after graduating.

00;05;41;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: From high school that I talked.

00;05;48;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: I took a part where I taught at Berkeley, and then I taught at Wycliffe and then brought the family by the name of Sanders. Mr.. Mr. Sanders, where our babysitters. When I was kid, the mother and them both ran. Mr.. Mr.. Sanders at West point house. He said with us as long as the family was gone.

00;06;14;05 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, how old were you? Just about the new teacher.

00;06;18;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh, I started teaching when I was 18. I, I finished high school in three years. And, then I started I went to summer school that summer. I’m talking for. And that was the following month to 18. I taught six weeks. We had the flu epidemic. Then I went back and taught mother six weeks. then we had another flu epidemic and school is closed.

00;06;49;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: And so I went to school and I was out of high school, and I went from choir, the summer. And by the time I got to, I was out of high school a year after all the years of normal school and a half year of teaching.

00;07;15;03 - Unknown Interviewer:: And and, how long did you teach at black Rock?

00;07;19;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: Like I told black, like, three years earlier.

00;07;23;04 - Unknown Interviewer:: what grades or what?

00;07;24;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: Several school. I had five pupils. Fun to.

00;07;32;23 - Gertrude Hudson:: Girls. And they. Fourth grade, I think for now they were in the fifth, sixth and seventh. I had fun. And another girl who was in the sixth grade, and she. The third year she took her freshman year in high school. I took her and she took her exams in Harrison. And I gave her credit for her work there.

00;08;07;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: And then I had a very interesting little family. There were two Italian children who were.

00;08;15;29 - Unknown: Handicapped mentally so and so.

00;08;22;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: It was it was very, very interesting in my heart where we talk for grades with five two, one.

00;08;30;09 - Unknown Interviewer:: And you stayed exactly with this family the whole time.

00;08;35;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: You know, so three years.

00;08;37;00 - Unknown Interviewer:: So you were almost you were a part of the family?

00;08;40;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I been a part of the family before I had, because they were just like a mother and father to me from when I was smaller.

00;08;48;11 - Unknown Interviewer:: And grow up. What were your feelings at the time? Were you, like they were, transport parents.

00;08;58;22 - Gertrude Hudson:: Or. well, I just felt very much at home and I used to go home every Friday night on the train, after school and walk over to, like, right across the car, catch the train and go to Harrison. And that was about a 15 minute ride. then some afternoon or Sunday morning, I’d go back up on the train, the bus, the 1030 quarter turn around and it depends from the you spin.

00;09;35;23 - Gertrude Hudson:: But it was like, fine going during the wintertime. I went in the morning because I couldn’t.

00;09;41;08 - Unknown Interviewer:: You rode across the lake in the wintertime too.

00;09;44;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well I didn’t roll across the lake or from. Right. It is the lake shore and signs. Yeah. But I rode across the river because the, railroad track is on the south side of the river. no, it’s on the north side of the Coleman. And I had the southern on the south side.

00;10;10;12 - Unknown Interviewer:: that closed loop. And then, for. Did you keep on teaching?

00;10;15;03 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes. Then I taught, you’re in. Greenwood. I put 56th grades there.

00;10;24;03 - Unknown Interviewer:: How did you make the transition? did you go? Did you just want to?

00;10;28;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yeah, I want to. I want to make a move. So I find that the primary and I went up to Fernwood and taught it there. And then I decide, go on teaching AC. So I applied for that scheme and taught in Arizona. Yeah, and I enjoyed. Thank you very much.

00;10;48;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: So how many children did you have in Harrison. Was it. It was more than five.

00;10;53;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh yes. And last and I had part of the fourth grade and, and the fifth grade and I had, oh, I mentioned about three, 1 or 2 campers.

00;11;07;27 - Unknown Interviewer:: Something like that. Is that anything that you really, really liked about teaching? Was there one area that you really,

00;11;17;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I enjoyed the children very much because they were or anxious to to learn. they were very much interested in things that I was interested in. And so of course, I felt like I was making a contribution.

00;11;39;26 - Unknown Interviewer:: Yes, I understand that, but, what were your interests? I mean, were you more for arithmetic or.

00;11;49;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I wanted the people to have my main interest, I think, was in history. History and geography. why? People were like, how the country developed and this particular area, the glacial area. But it was very interesting to me. And I inspired the children to know more about their surroundings.

00;12;22;05 - Unknown Interviewer:: Perhaps, really needed, can you give an example of how you.

00;12;29;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: show them? Well, I know for my own small kids at Berkeley, they had difficulty reading up. There were certain things fell in the spring. Yeah, the during the flood stage, the Carolina River that carried a lot of mud and dirt would come up and go over there with river bank and then with deposit, the mud went up and down the river bank.

00;13;01;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: That’s just a little bit higher. we went into things like that for, because the were we learned about the source of the river, the Mount Hood River and how water runs down here and that type of thing that, about soil laid it down the farm road. of course, that was interesting for them. And why they also talked about the, plowing, a contour, because they had frozen so that the soil would wash.

00;13;46;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: Most of the children that you raised, I mean, not raised, excuse me, but, taught were farm children that were just.

00;13;54;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, those people that was a farm in the area, and I was with family that was on a lumbering. Yeah. And then Harrison was principally lumbering the salt mills in the box, and I was.

00;14;11;11 - Unknown Interviewer:: About to give back to Harrison. And that was, you taught a year at Harrison, and then did you make another move after that?

00;14;18;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: And then I went to university.

00;14;20;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: You went to the University of Idaho?

00;14;22;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: University of Idaho? I was, school the first year there. Too many things that I wanted to take a 16 credits was the average loan, and I took 20 the first semester. And then the second semester I couldn’t get in my own two period economics quiz section. So I took I took 19 hours and just got three credits in economics that time.

00;14;57;00 - Unknown Interviewer:: Now, what year was it that you started?

00;14;58;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: It was 1924, 25, 24 and 25. In the summer of 1925, my father was going to run some, you know, put the car in my mail company and test for my farmer and a name. He wrote to me and said that, and my mother was going to go to school with him. And then I was to go to summer school and after summer school.

00;15;25;29 - Unknown Interviewer:: University?

00;15;26;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes. And then I was to go after summer school. So I was to get a voice in my environment because I could 500 lumberjacks with no place for you.

00;15;37;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: And and they didn’t want you to, go over there. He wanted you to,

00;15;44;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: Back to his Romanian school.

00;15;46;22 - Unknown Interviewer:: To be kind of protected in a kind of a protected environment. your aunt.

00;15;52;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes.

00;15;52;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: So did you did did.

00;15;54;05 - Gertrude Hudson:: You find it? When a summer school was over, I went to Harrison this. And one of my mother’s very best friends. And they yourselves said, Richard, I want to see your mother. Why don’t we drive up to test? And she said, I’d like to see you. I know my dad read, her. The Cortland Mill Company was owned by Fred Perry, and Eric was her brother in law.

00;16;31;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: So they we we went up to Tuskegee.

00;16;35;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: Anyway, without your parents knowing this?

00;16;39;03 - Gertrude Hudson:: No. Yes. We surprised them, and they were very happy to us. We stopped breaking up with my family, and then we went back and I went to.

00;16;50;00 - Unknown Interviewer:: And you think corrected her.

00;16;51;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: And then, oh, my God, you got corrected. And the very interesting experience up there, my dad was the boss and they were running three, four hour shifts. Okay. And some of those people 12 hours, some worked and had meals early. between each one of those four hours, another had noticed had, three room house was a bedroom, two bedrooms and, a living room in between.

00;17;31;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: And mother had her meals over at cook House, the same place that named them. the cook. He wasn’t too happy about furnishing or, like, hot water and things. I got up when I got up there. He had been a camp cook at Fernwood and had also cook the girl. Tell her I stayed in Fernwood, and my mother said after him, the fact that my dad was managing the running the mill didn’t count.

00;18;10;10 - Gertrude Hudson:: But as long as she was my mother, she could have anything on the place any time she wanted that. So that was it.

00;18;20;01 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, so you went. So, you went to Boise for this after summer school. And what did you do? And then I said.

00;18;30;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I visited my mom to.

00;18;32;14 - Unknown Interviewer:: Just stay with her.

00;18;34;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: I was about three weeks, or three weeks or months. And then I came back to.

00;18;41;08 - Unknown Interviewer:: Teach.

00;18;42;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: To. No, I came back to go to school. My father wanted me to. They decided that they would run the mill all winter, and he asked me if I would come in to school. And so I said yes. I grew.

00;19;00;05 - Unknown Interviewer:: Up in Montana, where he didn’t want you to come in the first in the.

00;19;03;27 - Gertrude Hudson:: First place. so. Then, and I got my school just before I went to Moscow. They said they didn’t know whether they would keep the mill or not. that they would know by a certain date. Well, I left for a week in Moscow, and so everybody registered and went to school, and I was staying at the dormitory with.

00;19;35;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: And I didn’t know whether I was going to register or not. So I knew the days were going to be very long. So I went over and got a correspondence course and wrote up the correspondence course, and, and that what, that first week or in three grades, first week of school.

00;19;56;13 - Unknown Interviewer:: What was the corresponding courses in history and history?

00;19;59;25 - Gertrude Hudson:: And so on Friday, I got word from my dad that they decided to close the mill the middle of October to register to start school. Well, it’s extra credits that I had earned my first year. I had for the first semester and three the second semester. That was seven, and I earned six in summer school. That was 13.

00;20;24;29 - Gertrude Hudson:: So what the three credits higher in that first week I had? oh, practically a whole year. Yeah. so when I registered, there was only one requirement, but I had for graduation and I got personal first semester, so I was ready to graduate at the end of the first semester, and there were no jobs available. And then.

00;20;56;06 - Unknown Interviewer:: When you.

00;20;56;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: Graduate the end of the first semester, oh, so. My dad said, well, he said, well, you might just as well stay and start work on your last year. That the only difference is it cost you your, your room down there. So because you have to eat whether you’re home or whether you’re.

00;21;21;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: Room and board, you have to pay.

00;21;22;22 - Gertrude Hudson:: I oh, it was very cheap. I think that we paid about about $25 a month for board. And I think our room, it was about $5 a month.

00;21;38;19 - Unknown Interviewer:: And you had to earn that?

00;21;40;05 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh no. My family and the family there.

00;21;43;23 - Unknown Interviewer:: Okay. And so did you go on for your master’s.

00;21;46;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: And so I went on for my master’s. And that was rather interesting. The, semester ended in June, and they had a summer school session that started right after that. And so I took the maximum amount of work for my masters. And then in the summer school, I had my masters work, my thesis all done, and my end credits.

00;22;17;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh, that. But I like two weeks a residence because there was overlapping. And so I had to have 18. No, I had to have 36. Well, I didn’t have that. But two weeks and I had. Decided that I would stay right after summer school and I’d do an extra course, or that I would come back at Christmas time and put in my two weeks Christmas vacation, because I had to go up to campus those two weeks, near the end of summer school, the university put on a play and I went to the play.

00;23;04;13 - Gertrude Hudson:: And then after the plane went downtown, the ice cream parlor, were eating there and a very good friend of mine had been in the play, and I got but the crowd, I was off and went over until it was nice job she could pick her up. And, she was very pleased. And as I was going back to my friends, the messenger certainly.

00;23;35;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: Would you would you come on campus, continue tomorrow? And I said, I’ll be happy. And I couldn’t figure out what America wanted to see me in the office for. So then he offered me a teaching fellowship for the next year. So I went back to school and put in the whole year. And so I had a lot of extra credits for my masters.

00;24;05;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: And my father insisted that on take take the Teaching fellowship, because my brother had been offered the fellowship of being on from the grant realm. But he used that he had been four years out of high school, four straight years of interest to, that I should and I had been going to normal school during that time.

00;24;35;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: I said that he feel that the family could afford to because my younger brother was coming up for him to go to. So we should have a chance. he always kind of regretted the fact that he had made that decision. I had this chance. My dad says you have to come. There’s one member of the family here.

00;25;02;01 - Gertrude Hudson:: I regret not getting a master’s degree, and I’m not going to have to live. So I went and I really enjoyed very, very much.

00;25;16;26 - Unknown Interviewer:: Teachers exclusive. so after you got to the university, where did you go from your, after your assistantship? What did you.

00;25;28;14 - Gertrude Hudson:: Then? I taught one year here in Portland.

00;25;31;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: You were both, it was on your own that you decided that calling.

00;25;36;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: I called for a job here. Well, the family was living here at the time. so.

00;25;44;12 - Unknown Interviewer:: Because the mill had,

00;25;46;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, my dad worked for the criminal company here. and so when in 25, after they closed down and just grew, my older brother was in New Mexico waiting in the service. My I was at the University. My dad was traveling, and my younger brother had a job here in Portland, and we had rented our house furnished in Harrison.

00;26;19;20 - Gertrude Hudson:: So my mother rented a furnished house here so she could be with us. She said, there’s no need to be five persons being in five different places. And besides, she didn’t want to move the people out of the house.

00;26;34;27 - Unknown Interviewer:: Time. Yeah. So you came back.

00;26;37;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: So I came here and I. I had bad tonsils in the summer. And so I had that tonsils treatment, back to those four. So that I shouldn’t do anything for six weeks. This is great. You don’t even wipe the dishes from your mother if you can get out of it. And so, of course, that meant. But school would be out.

00;27;09;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: So I had my surgery in August.

00;27;12;22 - Unknown Interviewer:: Vivian, hold school while you were recuperating?

00;27;16;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, no, I just quit.

00;27;18;27 - Unknown Interviewer:: you just quit in time.

00;27;20;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: And so then I went after over in October. I went down to go see the. I am for a change to climb. No. And when I came back up Thanksgiving time and then. And the first time I supposed to go over here, the upper high school. so after substitute asked me to teach programing. So I had a job, and then I taught for one year, and then, got a job back, most normal school and, training school.

00;28;05;25 - Gertrude Hudson:: So I’ve been there for 29 and up there until Christmas time.

00;28;12;20 - Unknown Interviewer:: According 2019, according to the formula coming years.

00;28;18;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: Better than 20 years.

00;28;23;25 - Unknown Interviewer:: were you ever married?

00;28;25;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: No. Not that. I got married at Thanksgiving, then 49, and then resigned as of the end of the beginning of Christmas vacation. And I moved to Cowbridge.

00;28;41;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: For dinner. So, you were, more or less your own person to. You were, Thank you.

00;28;49;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: I’ve done my own person since I was that high.

00;28;52;11 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, I mean, you’re not of the the norm. You you went and did what you wanted to.

00;28;59;20 - Gertrude Hudson:: And my family encouraged me. They encouraged others to do what we wanted to remember all the way through.

00;29;07;11 - Unknown Interviewer:: you got married 49. So you got, you’ve got 50 on your mind, but that’s just great. Well, how did you, so you taught until 49 at Lewiston? and in the history department or what? Well, I got area.

00;29;24;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: I taught in junior high school, social studies in junior high school, and then I taught fourth and fifth grade. Fourth grade, for a year, for a couple of years. And then I taught fifth grade right up fourth grade when I went back to sixth grade. And we switched around every once in a while so as not to get in a rut and work.

00;29;48;11 - Unknown Interviewer:: Oh, really? Interesting. Good. I find, really interesting that, at 50, you, you fell in love and I married a man. how did you go hunt me?

00;30;01;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: Brian met him. He was working for us. For us in Western. I knew a great many of the people who were connected with that. But first. And I met him there.

00;30;20;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: And then, you just. Well, the actual meeting was just a through a friend. Yeah, that was it. Just an introduction kind of thing?

00;30;30;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes.

00;30;33;29 - Unknown Interviewer:: same age.

00;30;35;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: Now. He was sort of 6 or 8 years older than that. I mean.

00;30;41;01 - Unknown Interviewer:: did you continue living in.

00;30;42;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: Lewiston? No, I moved to Portland. he had been in Lewiston. In fact, he worked for Potlatch Forest here in Palm Lane and then went to Lewiston and worked in Lewiston and then philosophy. We went from part and then we heard been part until he passed away. 57.

00;31;09;20 - Unknown Interviewer:: December. So, let’s see if I have a straight you if you you move from Lewiston to partner so that he could work.

00;31;21;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: But he was working.

00;31;22;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: He was working there and, but after married and.

00;31;26;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: Then I.

00;31;26;12 - Unknown Interviewer:: Moved. Did you teach there? yeah.

00;31;29;13 - Gertrude Hudson:: The first year I went up, of course, just before Christmas. And then from Christmas until the next first, the next year I didn’t I didn’t teach at all. And then they asked me to substitute for one fellows who had was in the legislature who was going to be the speaker of the House. So he went down to Louis and Boise and his wife taught commercial, and I didn’t know a thing about commercial.

00;32;07;22 - Gertrude Hudson:: Then I knew about kids. So I went over and taught for her for two weeks. Then after that two weeks saw her. One of the men had a nap, and then. And so I took over for him for about 2 or 3 weeks. And I taught almost sternly from that time until school was up. And then in the spring, they asked me to teach, take a permanent job, and my husband said, well, I don’t like the idea of doing that, said, I can support you.

00;32;46;14 - Gertrude Hudson:: And I said, well, I know you could support me. I said I was doing a pretty good job of supporting myself and I wouldn’t it wouldn’t be here now if I thought you could do it. But, there wasn’t too much to do. I still go. I like to teach, but. My husband said, oh, that you’ll be so tired.

00;33;16;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: I said, I’m going to teach. I’m not going to. I’m going to have a housekeeper. somebody to do the work around here so that I’m not tired of Saturdays and Sundays. So I had a woman who did the cleaning and the washing in the morning.

00;33;37;25 - Unknown Interviewer:: And and, you know, luxury. Well, at that time.

00;33;42;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes, that was and everybody else who worked fine. But we would go places Saturday and Sunday to be away. And I didn’t think was,

00;33;56;12 - Unknown Interviewer:: I think it was a real assertive thing that you did it to say that, you know what? This is what I want to do, you know? I mean, you were you were a very supportive person just by, being single so long and and, directing your life like you want, is when you grew up, is.

00;34;19;22 - Unknown Interviewer:: Did you want to teach? Is this.

00;34;21;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh, yes. I wanted to teach in the time I was an infant. This and that I visited in Boise came to us, and I was three years old. And this comes to teaching harassment that she taught us in San Juan proper and was around. And so I was around schoolteachers all my life.

00;34;39;26 - Unknown Interviewer:: And it was just it was just natural. The question I asked her, I.

00;34;43;28 - Gertrude Hudson:: Always wondered that you.

00;34;45;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: Did you just, it was so normal that, to just get married and get into the family thing. But it seems that, you wanted to teach in. Did you have anybody saying, I think that you were different because you were single, and this is what you wanted to do, and you were kind of conforming to the mold.

00;35;11;19 - Unknown Interviewer:: no. you had no feelings.

00;35;15;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: I never had any feeling of that. And at all.

00;35;18;14 - Unknown Interviewer:: You just. You just wanted to do your own thing.

00;35;22;01 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I’d always been used to being my own.

00;35;26;26 - Unknown Interviewer:: you didn’t find it hard to be single as, for as long as you were?

00;35;31;25 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh, no. I had single friends. I had married friends. next year from all the time I never felt out.

00;35;43;16 - Unknown Interviewer:: You never felt like that you needed anything.

00;35;45;21 - Gertrude Hudson:: But.

00;35;46;14 - Unknown Interviewer:: That you were fulfilling enough, that you didn’t need to equal to do that. attitude.

00;35;54;02 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I was very fortunate. I worked and helped her in the money by teaching at Berkeley and going to summer school and getting through and I remember when I was at the University the first year, I had saved almost enough money to put myself through my first year. my father gave me a checkbook. he says, here’s her checkbook and use it wisely.

00;36;29;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: You know how hard it comes.

00;36;31;10 - Unknown Interviewer:: It seems like your family, your parents especially really helped you in that situation. It they just wanted you to do, the best that you could. They didn’t, push you into any one thing. They they just kind of helped guide and guide.

00;36;50;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: And you had, you know, you had a back and I think my brothers felt the same way. But we did what we wanted to do, and we always talk things over. We always had an understanding. And so there. And I worked during the whole depression and well, everybody in the family. Yeah, there was no we didn’t have any bad time.

00;37;22;02 - Gertrude Hudson:: But people talk about hard times all during the depression. I think money was scarce and all, but I hear more during the depression when I had the money all the time for a long.

00;37;41;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: The summer of 1931, I went to Yellowstone National Park, 32. I went to Yellowstone National Park and to Glacier National Park 33 and took a normal field trip down to Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado to Chicago, to the there went to Boise. My aunt to Boise, and visited her there and back through Wisconsin and visited my people.

00;38;15;01 - Unknown Interviewer:: Did you have companions?

00;38;16;20 - Gertrude Hudson:: And yes, one very good friend of mine that I talked with in Lewiston when you started up from Lewiston, then her car, and then the next summer, 34, she was going 30. She quit at Lewiston and was working for a master’s degree at University of Nebraska the summer 34, and went back. Nebraska went to summer school with her, and one of the reasons why I went there was because of the outstanding dam and supervision I was teaching her that summer, and I just for that the summer 35 she and a friend of hers from Omaha, we met in Wyoming.

00;39;00;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: We went to the Colorado Rockies and spent a month in Rocky Mountain National Park.

00;39;06;04 - Unknown Interviewer:: So your life during the depression was so, different than how we see people that lived through the depression.

00;39;13;14 - Gertrude Hudson:: In his 30s, summer 36. Now, he was teaching at Miami University in Ohio. So I went back to Ohio that summer school so I could be with her. Then we took her car and drove to Washington, New York. not.

00;39;29;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: Really.

00;39;30;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: Free. New England states. And at the gas station in Spartanburg, there were gas statements for the southern shore of, Saint Lawrence.

00;39;42;23 - Unknown Interviewer:: Yeah. So you just really decide my life. I want to travel more or less. Sounds like you’ve just traveled a lot.

00;39;49;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I had I had only myself returned.

00;39;54;10 - Unknown Interviewer:: To you as a village.

00;39;56;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes. And I had good friends, people to visit with and to be with. And so I did. And my family encourage you every time I mention it. For sure.

00;40;08;25 - Unknown Interviewer:: Go on. It sounds like that, you didn’t have anything that you felt you lacked and been, just as free of the free.

00;40;19;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes.

00;40;19;22 - Unknown Interviewer:: Oh, it’s just so, Where, how really were the depression issues that you felt like you had such a a nice time because, you’re on your own, like you said, you your money was your money, and, but other people around you were not.

00;40;40;03 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, now, my older brothers working for the government, he was in the Indian service and he was around my younger brother was working, and,

00;40;59;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: At the Lane or Corbin Mill. Kirtland. And for the Carmine box factory. And then he went to work for the school system here. So the three of us had steady employment all the time.

00;41;14;16 - Unknown Interviewer:: The depression in, like, Idaho didn’t seem to be as bad as in other areas. Oh, no. It was,

00;41;22;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: Premier in a small town, you’re not as bad off as being in a city.

00;41;29;11 - Unknown Interviewer:: Everybody helping.

00;41;30;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: Everybody else. And my father worked all. All the time. Yeah, the Portland Milk Company folded, and he went. The family moved back here, us, and my dad was about. About ready to retire. Anyway, he became the city clerk until he did a lot of things for other people then. And he came home from work Friday afternoon and my mother had dinner.

00;42;07;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: Okay, pickle, after dinner until 10:00. And listen to the Richfield reporter. mother always got a the card table and the cards and the chips away. And my father had a heart attack. Them and passed away about midnight. Car night. So that we were we were all.

00;42;32;10 - Unknown: Taken care of.

00;42;38;00 - Unknown: So.

00;42;40;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: this is easy depression. That was, when you were down in Lewiston. Okay. And,

00;42;48;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: The other thing I know about.

00;42;50;08 - Unknown Interviewer:: You were in Lewiston during the depression, kind of like. And World War two, you.

00;42;55;23 - Gertrude Hudson:: Would tell us I was ever in World War.

00;42;58;00 - Unknown Interviewer:: You saw the whole, change.

00;43;01;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: You know.

00;43;01;27 - Unknown Interviewer:: Something? You seen so much change.

00;43;05;14 - Gertrude Hudson:: And and. Yeah, but I went to law school in 39 against $1,800, and I was.

00;43;16;09 - Unknown Interviewer:: I had you had saved it that much?

00;43;18;10 - Gertrude Hudson:: No, that was my salary for that.

00;43;21;09 - Unknown Interviewer:: Year, 18.

00;43;22;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: Hundred dollars, $1,800. And that was paid in each, each month. Well, we got $180 a month. That was for ten months. And then we had summer school. So they had a little more. And then the next year we had an increment of 157 was nine. The next year they made a mistake and instead of calling it improvement, they call it the call of the rings.

00;43;49;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: So they like that out. And then along about 34, I think it was things were getting tough and we got a, decrease in salary. I think it was about 5 or 7%. Then about two years later, I mean, the state was in hard pressed for money and we had, another cut in salary just in general. Okay.

00;44;19;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: I think it was that was about 5%.

00;44;22;09 - Unknown Interviewer:: What were your feelings at that time when you were getting your your pay cut? I mean, well.

00;44;28;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: We knew that it was everybody was being cut all over. That just wasn’t there. This wasn’t for tax money. So you just you just accepted it.

00;44;42;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: And you were glad that you still had a.

00;44;44;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: Job and you still had a job because you saw so many people who were out who didn’t have work.

00;44;54;10 - Gertrude Hudson:: So that, that it was just a blessing. We were all glad that they kept us, on working. Then when times got better by ourselves, got better.

00;45;09;03 - Unknown Interviewer:: Yeah. But you just you just accepted it because that was just the way you had to do it was just to accept the cut and move it. And you would get later on would think.

00;45;23;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I think a lot of times couldn’t keep on being job. And, then we had so many people who would come in from the Middle West and, because.

00;45;35;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: Of the depression with people.

00;45;36;26 - Gertrude Hudson:: Moving in. Oh, yes. And especially from the Dakotas and Kansas and Nebraska. but they’ll come back with us for a while.

00;45;49;15 - Unknown Interviewer:: And the, the dustbowl,

00;45;52;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: We could see how much better off we were. And we can still move very nicely, until we’re getting enough to buy clothes and pay your rent. So you were doing real well. You weren’t going behind.

00;46;07;01 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, I had a those, What did those people do? I mean, you know, when they moved in, did they just find someplace to live and just kind of.

00;46;18;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, some of them did you read The Grapes of Wrath mean? Well, that was taxes. Just a lot. and then there were others who were very fine people who just simply could not hang on to their, their farms. And so they had to to.

00;46;36;26 - Unknown Interviewer:: Move that and really partly lose their. Well.

00;46;42;10 - Gertrude Hudson:: That was a whole area all around here. And we had Idaho was very typically Republican all the way through except right for those area that was pretty well Democratic, Democratic and and I can remember Cook County from the time I was in grade school, that anybody who got a nomination on the Republican ticket.

00;47;11;20 - Unknown Interviewer:: Did you take part in politics? Did you, do you know that?

00;47;15;25 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes. Hi. I’m Republican, but I have never heard this story. I don’t think it never would. That’s the man. But, I think for. Did you.

00;47;31;16 - Unknown Interviewer:: were you involved in, in campaigns for or, in anything like that? Did you direct yourself towards the politics?

00;47;40;28 - Gertrude Hudson:: I have campaigned for certain people and have talked to people about it, but I’ve never gone out to carry them in.

00;47;48;10 - Unknown Interviewer:: I’ve had your own,

00;47;53;10 - Unknown: hum.

00;47;55;16 - Unknown Interviewer:: You had your one thing that you, fought for, or did you have anything like that, that you were really strong for, that you work for? any ideas or.

00;48;06;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I think just really for good government and running to see the best man or woman for for the position. It was their philosophy and their personal form and their integrity. But they in who had voted for something.

00;48;32;19 - Unknown Interviewer:: well, you were in Lewiston and, during World War Two now, well, what was that phase of your life like? during.

00;48;42;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: The. Well, that didn’t affect us there at all? Well, I had one experience growing during Christmas vacation. Mr. Lowe, who was teaching in the history department, had, heart attack. the president called me and asked me if I would take his work. That one of my friends said who was up talking about school, said she she couldn’t do it.

00;49;20;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: But, you know, I could, that if I would take it back, she would take my fifth grade that I was teaching and become. So I said yes, that I would. So I went back a couple of days early and went over things for to happened. I was, young Japanese boy going to University of Idaho. I gave him a very bad time.

00;49;52;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: So he left the University of Idaho and came back. He was wrong. And then one of my history classes, he was very polite. And he tried. He was.

00;50;08;16 - Unknown Interviewer:: You know, you were trying to make up for the feelings that were generated because he was.

00;50;13;02 - Gertrude Hudson:: Japanese. Yes. I encouraged, people that I had in class that he was just a fortunate child and had been his heritage. He couldn’t do anything about them, and that I was sure that he didn’t have anything to do with it, and that they should help him because he really needed help. He didn’t build any box in his way at all.

00;50;50;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: but it’s acceptable just for the for, and he said, I think he finished for the school year for, and that’s the only place I think that the war touched me in.

00;51;09;00 - Unknown Interviewer:: You were just kind of, The the way the country was moving really didn’t affect your life all that much. generally speaking, it, you had your own way in your own say.

00;51;23;10 - Gertrude Hudson:: More or less. And of course, we didn’t have very many Japanese, very few cameras. the people are very stable. the boy meets, on campus. And so across, everybody felt sorry for him, but he had, it necessary to leave, the university now, northwestern University must have, some of the individuals who were lived there.

00;51;58;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: I don’t know whether that became, but because he was a good student, a very quiet, shy man. and of course, we, you know, bought bombs and that sort of things.

00;52;18;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: You, you, talk to your children about that. Did you talk?

00;52;25;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: oh. We had air raid drills and everything else. And one of the things that we really accomplished was following directions. I think the children that I had in school at that time followed directions. but, you know, I never as assigned anything the same way twice. It was always just a little bit different. Made a special effort, to get directions so that they would learn to follow directions and group and mainly to give kids directions.

00;53;01;13 - Gertrude Hudson:: Now, they want to stop and say, boy, and how am I want you to repeat these things? And we crawled under desks and controls and did all of the other things that they did for for air raid.

00;53;21;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: so you just really, throughout your life, support yourself. you how did you teach later, after you were made?

00;53;31;20 - Gertrude Hudson:: give that up.

00;53;32;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: For until you did retired?

00;53;35;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: I taught for five years. My husband was ill last year, and she the first year. I didn’t teach the first year and a half and,

00;53;46;19 - Unknown Interviewer:: And then the last year, I, took care of him with the.

00;53;51;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: got cancer.

00;53;52;29 - Unknown Interviewer:: And it was a long.

00;53;54;13 - Gertrude Hudson:: No, it was it wasn’t long, in fact, we had the doctor had sent sent him to Spokane for some class. And that was the first week in April and came home the end of that week. And the doctor said it would be from. year to 18 months and 3 to 4 the month.

00;54;27;14 - Unknown Interviewer:: And just I knew his hands would come up well.

00;54;33;05 - Gertrude Hudson:: And he didn’t suffer.

00;54;35;29 - Unknown Interviewer:: But then was being something else along with it you to I mean, I’m not saying it’s impersonal, but was it, easier to adjust back? I like some women I know that had been married for so long. And then my husband passed me. Yeah. So. It’s been so long. Well.

00;55;02;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: George was very, very active. you were very active, and I was active. We both did a lot of things. I just couldn’t see him.

00;55;21;22 - Gertrude Hudson:: Being confined, that would be the worst thing in the world. I just prayed that even a miracle had happened, that he would be completely well. Or that he goes to my my prayers for sure. so, But didn’t suffer at all, and.

00;55;46;29 - Unknown Interviewer:: but, must have had some way that you got over it. I mean, you were, teaching them. No, you didn’t go back to teaching. This was when you had retired.

00;56;02;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: well, I had I wasn’t teaching that year. so. And I had my mother was getting, she was in her Middle ages. so I figured that I would take the, and we would go into this church family and do things because she wouldn’t be around to long. And then and August, the middle of August and we were picking up things go to church would be come under Social Security.

00;56;40;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: So that news came out Friday. Sunday, my brother and his wife came home to visit my dad and me. he was working on the school year, so I asked him to go in and see Mr. Cooper and see if there were any jobs that I would like to have a job for fifth or sixth grade. Monday noon, my brother called me and said, as soon as to get me this money first, contact on an application bank in the mail.

00;57;18;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: You’ll get it tomorrow. He said the application bank. He has to have to file with us with this report. So I signed the application blank, and the contract and sent it back to him. So I kind of got.

00;57;39;12 - Unknown Interviewer:: To kind of get yourself out again. And you start things.

00;57;44;23 - Gertrude Hudson:: I went back to teaching.

00;57;46;22 - Unknown Interviewer:: Back to college, when you were living this in Potlatch. So this was in college, but you moved out further.

00;57;53;14 - Gertrude Hudson:: I moved up here. And I came and looking for an apartment. I found this apartment, and I took the building right over here.

00;58;08;09 - Unknown Interviewer:: You’ve been here for a long time.

00;58;11;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: I moved in here in October of 56 and, during September and the first part of October. And it broke my brother because the apartment building to be me, people had just forgotten it needed to be done. so after long had gone back home and all the moisture and kind of swap came up and looking, it’s just some of it looks so nice, but course you should have something done.

00;58;45;03 - Gertrude Hudson:: So it took a long time to get close to home because put on for good the close were kind of slow. they put in several hundred. Nothing’s been done to them since 57 with so on that.

00;59;07;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: You know, I’m just work around, all your furniture that you have. It’s such a long list of things. Tell me a little bit about you. where’d you get.

00;59;17;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, this, Desk was from my mother’s. From my mother’s home. the music cabinet is, this is,

00;59;35;01 - Gertrude Hudson:: For fishing. Is it? You open the door. If I have a little shells come out, and I keep home, and.

00;59;43;27 - Unknown Interviewer:: You know, they are really antique. And you say, this is teakwood over here.

00;59;48;02 - Gertrude Hudson:: From a teakwood chair, and the table there from town, I have.

00;59;55;27 - Unknown Interviewer:: I heard you get them from Thailand to do.

00;59;58;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well. They were shipped over. I am call who was, in the furniture. This was an anaconda. And this is typical, rooster and, dragon. And then the the table shows the French influence, the decorations, having some that are slightly more uncomfortable and.

01;00;22;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, I guess what I need to.

01;00;24;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: Do then, this three piece set is, Rosewood and that’s and carved,

01;00;35;08 - Unknown Interviewer:: For all these people. Now,

01;00;41;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: But I guess, well, I like to talk to, as you really is,

01;00;50;14 - Unknown Interviewer:: You know, who did you ever wanted? we are happy to be a woman to to, feel good in the women’s role. And, you know, I went to, Did you have really strong feelings about being a woman at one time in your life or something that you, were you glad, or were you sometimes wishing that you could just be a little freer in some aspects?

01;01;20;27 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh, I, I don’t never remember a time. And I felt that I was perfectly free to do and say and feel, but anything, you.

01;01;32;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: Know, but and, cultural life, you didn’t feel inhibited anyway. no. Not no expectations. You just do. But you felt.

01;01;46;20 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I think my family always encouraged that. We had discussions. We had arguments. I never once heard my father say, well, I. Am the boss. And he encouraged us to to argue. they they respected our.

01;02;14;25 - Gertrude Hudson:: You know, our personalities to to do what? The only thing they expected us not to do anything that broke into us. Or I would name or our family, they weren’t very much part in the family.

01;02;38;04 - Unknown Interviewer:: And those were kind of thing. My problem.

01;02;45;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: was never do anything that will hurt anybody else or anything like you will be sorry for. And who those for the things that you are supposed to think about when you.

01;02;57;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: Were in guiding philosophy.

01;03;01;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: and do the best you can.

01;03;03;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, we’re always glad that you lived in this area, that you were a more or less a rural woman, that you never felt that you needed to come to. You. You said that you visited Chicago and you never felt that.

01;03;16;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: That was, oh, when you were in Chicago and any other, any other city. Oh, well, I’m very happy. Thank my family sound here because I think this is one of the most beautiful spots in the world.

01;03;34;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: with fresh air. All this or just, The West was more open and more were able to do more. Not about being rural that you really liked more than urban life.

01;03;50;27 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh, yes. I like the small town, having fun. And I don’t like some of the new gadgets and the new telephones. The whole mechanical part. I always think of the time that, my mother was visiting my brother in South Dakota. She took a notion she wanted to come home. And so Saturday morning with my brother, she packed up and went up to motivate me, put her on the Milwaukee, and she would get off in Saint Mary’s.

01;04;24;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: And my brother tried to call us and there was to anybody home. So my brother said to the operator, and, I told her it was, said that he had put mother on the train. And to get word to George mean that she would be in Saint Mary’s the next afternoon. Well, telephone operator called a couple of times.

01;04;54;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: She got us at home and gave us the message. Sorry. Sunday afternoon we went up to Saint Mary’s and picked up my mother.

01;05;06;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: And so there, something that you like now? if you had choice, would you go back to the way things were or. Well.

01;05;19;29 - Gertrude Hudson:: I don’t think so, but I think it was very good. And I remember we had, telephone operator and there are some children who missed many upon everybody’s conversation. You and never talked. She never repeated anything. But if there was something that somebody needed to know, she gave she gave them, the word she if there was no possible anything.

01;05;52;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: But she knew everything, and she knew what to, to do.

01;05;57;06 - Unknown Interviewer:: You know, and you miss that kind.

01;05;59;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: Of message, you know?

01;06;00;10 - Unknown Interviewer:: Yeah. I miss that kind of telephone. kind of impersonal now.

01;06;04;26 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes. Well, I get some telephone operating. When I was, you know, and I was in high school, one of my very good friends. Late at that. Late, they had my high school there, and so she work for her board room during her freshman and sophomore year. Then, junior year. And, Tom Byrne. And she got a job as the night operator in California.

01;06;34;19 - Unknown Interviewer:: And she got you on.

01;06;36;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: And so she could go home weekends. They taught me,

01;06;42;01 - Unknown Interviewer:: And you’re a really good friend.

01;06;43;26 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes, I was, I was, yeah. So I learned the time. the telephone exchange in Paris. In Paris. that year, we had a terrific flood and the cars along the river, and, there was a rose like lumber company that was owned by the women’s nursery dairies. And they were back in Minneapolis and we a telephone office tap to charge somebody along the line for telephone and, tell us how much the river had come up and which bridges were and dams for and which ones had come off.

01;07;25;05 - Unknown Interviewer:: So we had all the information.

01;07;26;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: So we had all the information. And Mr. Rosenberg called from Minneapolis one to talk to somebody in Roslyn. Well, there were there was no line to Rose. Right. You couldn’t get through there. And I said, ask him if he wants to talk to me. I can give him all, all the latest information. So I talked to him for quite a little while and he said, oh, never had been so happy about hearing anything.

01;07;59;25 - Gertrude Hudson:: As the information went to the.

01;08;03;16 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, I just found this out that you, telephone number besides you talking in the telephone?

01;08;09;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: No, I did not know I was in Iowa.

01;08;11;28 - Unknown Interviewer:: I, I understand that, but did you do anything other than teacher this. Did you have any other work experiences?

01;08;18;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yes. I worked in, grocery store for, friend for. So we went into Spokane to take my mother back in your class. So I ran her store that day. And from your mother’s going up in the elevator to the doctor’s office, she had a hard time. So the rest for a psychiatric hospital. And so I stayed on the grocery store for about ten days.

01;08;48;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: And then I went to. Arizona one summer to summer school of the same thing. And sold her store, and she was working on a hardware store. And I went down to go down to the parlor during the 4th of July and expected to be down there about two weeks. And I got down there on Friday afternoon, and they asked me to go to to work in the hardware store.

01;09;24;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: So I.

01;09;25;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: So, you know, hardware.

01;09;27;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: And the hardware store.

01;09;28;15 - Unknown Interviewer:: Hardware store and the telephone number.

01;09;32;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: 50

01;09;32;18 - Unknown Interviewer:: Six. So you’ve done quite a, quite a few different things in your life. no. What I really kind of what I asked, before the trade gets kind of low. I you did a lot traveling when you were young. but we haven’t talked about any other aspect of your life, like, hobbies or clubs or, anything like this.

01;09;56;10 - Unknown Interviewer:: you’re telling me about your stock? you.

01;09;58;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: Follow the weather? Yes, I, I follow the weather every day, and I keep a check on that.

01;10;06;01 - Unknown: So. And I’ve done that for years.

01;10;10;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: And then I like Campbell.

01;10;12;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: Do you travel now?

01;10;13;21 - Gertrude Hudson:: And I’m 69. I made a trip to the South Pacific and the Oregon. Some friends of mine in Pullman were going the World Congress of 300 people and recreation. I had their Congress there, and so they made a certain room trip out of there. And then the summer of 19 and fall 1970, I went to Europe to, especially with old fashioned play.

01;10;48;29 - Gertrude Hudson:: Did England and the Netherlands, Germany and play. Yes. That’s the, story of The last week of Christ. yeah. At at Obama girl. And then in 71, I went to Alaska. I spent three weeks out there.

01;11;11;10 - Unknown Interviewer:: Do you, do you have a companion or do some of these jobs? Do you go by yourself?

01;11;16;03 - Gertrude Hudson:: These, those trips I made with this friend that I had been my first trip with, that I talked with in most back in 32 and 33 of them in 74, oh three.

01;11;39;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: Me, I like 35 and 71. They went to Alaska in 72. We went to the Scandinavian countries and I reciprocate north, the 21st day of July and saw the midnight sun. And I wore a, dress that I bought in the Philippines.

01;12;03;29 - Unknown Interviewer:: Kind of fell few. Oh, yeah. Sounds like traveling has been your whole, history. And traveling. It’s been your whole life. It’s, Well.

01;12;14;21 - Gertrude Hudson:: 1159 I made a trip to Europe. I spent the whole summer, but here I was, made for a day roller.

01;12;25;27 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, seeing all these different cultures and stuff, what kind of feel you have, has given you for, people the attitudes of people.

01;12;40;13 - Gertrude Hudson:: Or people over people all over our grand in the shops, in the hotels, the restaurants and all. You meet very lovely people. And you’re always I’m always glad to go and always have a grand time with friends coming home. That’s the nicest part. And I always say that the nicest part of the trip is just coming home and you’re happy to come home.

01;13;11;01 - Gertrude Hudson:: That means that you’ve had a real good, good time.

01;13;16;25 - Unknown Interviewer:: coming home. but, what what you’re feeling what what really gets home to, you know, what’s the thing about home? It’s good to come home to?

01;13;32;10 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, you can just sit down and relax and the people like to know your family. Now, we’re a small family. I just have one brother. I had two, my older brother had no children, and I had no children. My brother had just one daughter, but she has three sons and a daughter. our family has been quite close knit and.

01;14;11;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: It’s it’s nice to be with them. It’s nice to be with with friends.

01;14;18;13 - Unknown Interviewer:: I really find it interesting. I because you lift your voice and, We’re into the, raising, having children and and taking care of children kind of attitude that seems to be so prevalent.

01;14;38;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, now, my older brother and his wife, that was one of the regrets of their life. But they didn’t have any children.

01;14;46;01 - Unknown Interviewer:: But it was a if ever.

01;14;49;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, no, I wouldn’t say they’re but you know, and you don’t get married when you’re 49. You’re not. Thank you very much about having children at that age. And I was always for the children that I had in school. So that we do a lot of mothering. I, children so that, you know, that and my older brother and his wife, they always manage to have friends who have children, and they always did a lot of very nice things for their friends, children.

01;15;29;28 - Gertrude Hudson:: And they did a lot for my niece. I remember they came out to visit and they decided she was big enough to have a bicycle. So they went into Spokane, came home with the bicycle, and my brother first had a little lecture. He was going to tell our friend, not Long Island kids riding her bike and a few things like that.

01;15;55;01 - Gertrude Hudson:: She said he took care of it and they took it out the back. She was just thrilled to death with it. She just climbed down it and rode around, and he was so surprised. And they took over to London, where she learned to ride and the other kids by showing up from the children, never kids bike. There was no reason in the world why you should never let any other kids ride her bike.

01;16;21;10 - Unknown Interviewer:: Would you know never to, it was at this point in your life, what would you tell somebody, like, of my age what to look for, what to think about and do. and time your age?

01;16;38;03 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I would say take good care of your health.

01;16;44;13 - Gertrude Hudson:: These people. Be them.

01;16;51;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: Do the golden rule. They work together. So she would have to. To you, live your life so that you, your parents, if you have any progeny and all be kind of. I think they don’t have enough pride.

01;17;14;21 - Unknown Interviewer:: That you feel that kind of losing in the.

01;17;17;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: I think that’s one of the things that people are losing. how can kids who destroy other people’s property and, I’m trying to track here. Somebody have a notebook? Just open it up and just tear it.

01;17;37;00 - Unknown Interviewer:: What does that make you feel like when you were a little kid?

01;17;40;00 - Gertrude Hudson:: I just want to say I’m real good and tell them that to get the money so that they can go out and buy themself a new notebook.

01;17;51;00 - Unknown Interviewer:: Okay, I take it that that just wouldn’t go on. when you were that age. Oh, that kind of attitude was.

01;17;58;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: Where we took care of everything. I’m a packrat. My mother was a collector. We say things.

01;18;07;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: Because it was the idea of saving things. Or was everything precious or everything was precious.

01;18;13;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: And my mother was one of the most famous people in the world. But her things were the most precious things to her because they were hers. They were a part of her. And you were taught.

01;18;28;29 - Unknown Interviewer:: Yes.

01;18;29;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: Everybody. from your. Have something. Take care of it. Keep keep it in good, good shape.

01;18;39;28 - Unknown Interviewer:: that was this.

01;18;40;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: This is, card party. But I was teaching in the West Washington’s birthday. We had this, holiday, and we. So I entertained 12 tables, set that bridge, and this. Put lace around here,

01;19;05;14 - Unknown Interviewer:: Around you put lines and.

01;19;08;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: Put the emphasis on the lace on.

01;19;10;18 - Unknown Interviewer:: There. It’s, kind of,

01;19;12;27 - Gertrude Hudson:: And we had pink ones for one and blue ones for.

01;19;18;07 - Unknown Interviewer:: For another.

01;19;19;28 - Gertrude Hudson:: For their tail is for a.

01;19;21;13 - Unknown Interviewer:: Bridge beach party. Oh, it’s really old fashioned. Has a little, has a old fashioned girl with. But yeah.

01;19;28;25 - Gertrude Hudson:: See, that was supposed to be Martha. We were celebrating during Washington’s birthday and this was. And I think.

01;19;35;09 - Unknown: They have November and some of them are.

01;19;41;10 - Gertrude Hudson:: On her own they have blue bags. We have some things that I have. My things started in my house and got out, and I just sold my house there in November. And so I just kind of packing it back. But you had it.

01;19;58;03 - Unknown Interviewer:: Rented for all of come up here.

01;20;01;20 - Gertrude Hudson:: And, and I just bought the furniture that I need right here. and left some things.

01;20;09;03 - Unknown Interviewer:: So you were, you were kind of landlord of some people. did you happen did you feel like, was it hard to be a landlord to say no if you didn’t like them to to tell the people?

01;20;25;14 - Gertrude Hudson:: No. I didn’t have too much contact with them going work. I was up here and they were down there. I always had quite nice people in my house, but it was very busy.

01;20;41;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: Yeah, we had our own, that sort or, what do you, just normal days. You’re, really a traveler, but a normal days. What do you like to do for recreation? you say you have friends?

01;21;01;15 - Gertrude Hudson:: Yeah. Oh, my days, are very full, and I never have a dull time. I like to read, and that table over there, that’s my library. And I have all that stuff to to read and we have an older woman here who and I always go down and visit her every day and see her maybe sometimes twice a day.

01;21;33;17 - Gertrude Hudson:: And I gave my card to my nephew, so I am the foot, and I walk over to the grocery store about six, seven blocks over there. I carry all my groceries, and sometimes I make even two trips a day because I need things. I get, I play with a group and play cards with a group of senior citizens.

01;22;01;24 - Gertrude Hudson:: I also substitute.

01;22;04;03 - Unknown Interviewer:: substitute teacher.

01;22;05;27 - Gertrude Hudson:: I substitute over here in the school. And, and so I.

01;22;09;15 - Unknown Interviewer:: Am very, very across from the school on the right is just the one school that you taught.

01;22;15;08 - Gertrude Hudson:: In here. I thought I was in the other building, from the door downstairs to the door, going to school. It’s just 100 steps. Just one and six. And my mother just loved it. The kids were. And she often regretted the fact that when I was a kid that they didn’t have in school colors for school, cause as the kids had to go.

01;22;41;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: There’s been there’s been a lot of changes, in the town. Okay, a lot of things. But you feel that the values are all changed. what do you what do you really see for, like, you said you had that one niece that has a daughter. What do you think? For the there like the here.

01;23;01;21 - Unknown: But but things are changing for women. Well.

01;23;08;16 - Gertrude Hudson:: I don’t know, because now I have never felt inhibited. And I grew up in the, neighborhood, but there were all boys. So I played with the boys. My older brother, who’s two years, almost two years older than I wanted to play. He taught me to catch. He taught me to back, and he taught me to run. one, practice for me so that I was as good or better than any of the, the boys.

01;23;47;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: And then we’re choosing upside for baseball. This, if you can be the last one, move up. Don’t get the last, last one. so, I had a very special privilege there because my brother wanted me to excel and to do things. he took the time to to train school so that I competed with them. And I never, failed a bond girl relationship.

01;24;22;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: Now, that may be one of the reasons why I married when I was younger. Because I’m not all the fellows on there on Brown and Girl and I. I think that I like boys better than I.

01;24;37;22 - Unknown Interviewer:: Do.

01;24;38;29 - Gertrude Hudson:: Girls. And so I was growing up and particularly then in high school because, it seemed to me that the girls always wanted to be away to on I think that was my husband.

01;24;53;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: Weren’t like that.

01;24;54;28 - Gertrude Hudson:: Often. I was in my career. I, competed with my brothers and the neighbor boys, and I just felt like one of them. I could build a boat, I could swim as well as they could. I could skate as well as they could. I could do.

01;25;12;18 - Unknown Interviewer:: And that just carried on to your later life.

01;25;14;19 - Gertrude Hudson:: And and, I never felt I’ve never had a job that anybody wanted to do. When I started in, in a club, I know I’d either do it, do it well, or be a complete person.

01;25;32;00 - Unknown Interviewer:: And you knew your limits and you knew your needs so much at home.

01;25;37;02 - Gertrude Hudson:: So? So I just.

01;25;40;14 - Unknown Interviewer:: You were. You just want part. You just didn’t. You felt like, some of the girls that you grew up were just kind of, some not submitting. That’s not the word I went, but just kind of playing the role or,

01;25;57;01 - Gertrude Hudson:: Where I didn’t meet up until I was in high school. Because in a small town where everyone knows everybody else, you just kind of go on and I want to finish the question. So I wasn’t playing musical with my family, wanted to make music, presents, a lot of questions. And I did all of things with the girls here.

01;26;24;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: and I could compete with them, and I could compete with the boys. And I liked to compete with the boys, but it didn’t to,

01;26;31;23 - Unknown Interviewer:: You just you just felt like you were different. And that you wanted to do. No, I.

01;26;36;29 - Gertrude Hudson:: Didn’t feel different.

01;26;37;24 - Unknown Interviewer:: You didn’t feel different?

01;26;43;08 - Unknown Interviewer:: But, I didn’t mean that as a performer. but it seems like in high school, it’s the starts of being where, you start playing mobile interaction games. But you know what I mean, boys, it was supposed to make the boys understand. the girls are supposed to be cool, and, you know, and you never felt like that.

01;27;12;02 - Unknown Interviewer:: You know.

01;27;13;05 - Gertrude Hudson:: I never had to make a play for attention to get the boys tension. I created them just. And just. Just like. Like I treated my brother. but there was just no covering up to to anybody, that way. So that I guess I missed out on something, feminine. Where’s that? That might.

01;27;43;05 - Unknown Interviewer:: Have. But you don’t have to apologize if you’re like, you’ve seen so many areas of the world, but I’m wrong. You said that if you had to do it all over again, how would you do it differently? You know, I asked you a little while ago what you would advise someone like me to do, but I can never do it again.

01;28;02;18 - Unknown Interviewer:: What? What things would you change?

01;28;05;18 - Gertrude Hudson:: Well, I think perhaps.

01;28;13;12 - Gertrude Hudson:: Maybe I wouldn’t have stopped going to school. talk. go to school and talk. Teach and go to school. I think I would have told McDonald up going right straight. The four is.

01;28;28;01 - Unknown Interviewer:: In College Park, you know, up front, just, sort of fumbling around a little bit. You would have just gone right and started and gone.

01;28;37;13 - Gertrude Hudson:: And I ran. I, I had a wonderful time. I did everything I could, I my, I sometimes think that I would perhaps have liked, should have gotten married when I was younger and had a family. You because I, I.

01;28;58;14 - Unknown Interviewer:: Wish that maybe that it would have changed. But I didn’t. Do you think that might have inhibited some of your wanting to travel and some of these feelings, though.

01;29;10;04 - Gertrude Hudson:: Perhaps it would have, because if I got married at the time when I should have got married, when it then just lived through the depression, and I don’t know what that might have had in store. I’m awfully glad that I was on my own and had, a good job and was able to weather that without,

01;29;38;16 - Unknown Interviewer:: Like you said, that was one of the better times of your life.

01;29;41;06 - Gertrude Hudson:: That was one that I did more during that time that I had been able to do up on at any other time. And first, I am one of those people that I. You pay your way and you go along and you take care of your the things that you have and you do the best that you possibly can.

01;30;06;09 - Gertrude Hudson:: You do the best with and for your friends that you possibly can. you always.

01;30;12;03 - Unknown: Remember your family and all.

01;30;20;15 - Unknown: And I.

01;30;22;01 - Gertrude Hudson:: I don’t like this feeling of death. Living on a. Pottery car. credit card.

01;30;37;07 - Gertrude Hudson:: I never once, but once had anyone ask me about, for a check from a school and boys. My father sent me a check. I was going to ask. My brother was in Washington state and check for $35 for my dad and I. One stopped at a little grocery store in northwestern and wanted to him. Or at least I was, and the grocer and said, well, I would have to write him and see what a restaurant you had that much money in the bank.

01;31;16;22 - Gertrude Hudson:: I looked at it and I said, if you don’t think this will be $35, the bank took the road down the depot and I knew the deposit use and no cash checks or they didn’t have that. And and I walked up to the window, just as cold as could be, and met the man if he would cash my check on my son to run the country and springs that I wanted to go to Pullman.

01;31;45;26 - Gertrude Hudson:: My brother was going to Washington State, and I wandered off for Campus Day, and he looked at the check and he said, oh. This is so sure. How so he passed the check and I went up to the Pullman for campus fame. My brother, my train was coming, so that was the only time I ever had anybody question a check.

01;32;16;28 - Unknown Interviewer:: And so, like, one of the first things in your life and I think you have to do right by everyone, you know. But the attitude, do you think it’s the atmosphere of the whole United States is changing towards the values of the place? Or is it just, the area as you see right here in this area or what?

01;32;43;04 - Unknown Interviewer:: Well, it’s making people change. I don’t, I don’t.

01;32;46;29 - Gertrude Hudson:: I don’t not making people change. But I think it’s too much keeping up with the Joneses and wanting to to do things and living beyond their means and constantly worrying whether or not they can make their payments. I think that must be a terrific strain. people. Or it has to be out.

01;33;12;02 - Unknown: And I don’t care attitude. and I’m concerned because,

01;33;23;20 - Unknown Interviewer:: I’m under.

01;33;25;04 - Unknown: area of southern Idaho. so it seems to I’d like to cook a little bit.

01;33;31;25 - Unknown Interviewer:: And that’s what this woman’s project is to, to keep, to keep them the old and to change for the better of the new, to get the best of both sides, I think.

01;33;44;01 - Gertrude Hudson:: So, I think a firm faith in God and a firm faith and manner. Now, I some I have known in my life of all, have a chance to express themselves and to do the things that they wanted to, to do.

01;34;06;17 - Unknown Interviewer:: so you feel that each woman’s really had her own chance, that she’s made her own? Yeah. Right. Yeah. You don’t think that, some men are harder to live with them and dominate them a little bit?

01;34;20;11 - Gertrude Hudson:: Oh, I’m sure that a lot of women haven’t had a chance to express themselves because their men have them more or less kind of people that they lose connection with. The lives didn’t become.