everything's alright.

Alright, we are recording.

My name is monique lillard and we are doing an audio recording.

For the University of Idaho library oral History project concerning the video rental store in Moscow Idaho it is August 16 2021 we are sitting outside.

For reasons of coven safety.

I am going to ask my interviewee if he has signed the waiver and release and asked him to state his name and what used to teach at the University of Idaho just leave this now go ahead answer I am josh to forest washed or, should I sign the waiver and the release that already.

And at university of Idaho from 1979 to 2009 I taught in the programs of foreign languages and literature theatre and film and Latin American studies.

So those are just my background at university of Idaho okay all right, and thank you for your time being through we've been wanting to speak with you so let's just go ahead and get started.

The how and when did you first find out about the video rental store in town and what are your early memories of the various video part various video stores and Howard Hughes in particular.

Well i'd have to do some sure thinking about to.

For about 10 years.

My spouse and I were part owners over small arch animal.

And shut brunch animal in Moscow Idaho called the micro movie house.

we're gonna have more questions for you go ahead.

So my wife john m wash tonight wondering part owners of that operation.

And when it closed then Moscow Idaho, of course, without without any kind of art house of any kind.

So starting a tech time home video formats became more important for a lot of folks I think interested ensuring send them to be able to see something.

So, although the image quality presumably was not nearly as good now the sound quality in most home video format, at least, it would be a chance to see something after the micro movie house.

closed, which, incidentally, when it closed.

I estimated that Moscow Idaho My guess was at that time was one of the most heavily screened communities in the world in terms of 35 millimeter screens.

Because it was probably a town of about 18,000 then and about when the micro closed.

It had I would estimate i'd have to add them up 11 to 1335 millimeter strange so then astonishing ratio per capita which.

would be amazed, if it were matched most anywhere else in the world, most communities have 18 times and at that time by that time hardly had 135 millimeter string.

Anyway, at that moment, then, as I shed to see serious cinema foreign film etc, etc, the home video format became more important, of course, originally That was a tape videotape.

And there had been another video store in a mall on the pullman highway.

Not to lose empire more but maybe it was on a more a little bit East it went out of business and maybe that's not sure about this, maybe that's about when Howard Hughes started.

My relationship, but Howard Hughes.

boys important early on, because I kind of had a deal with.

With today enterprise I would use clips from his videos in my classes and I would tell the classes, where I got these clips.

period.

Giving thanks also the University of Idaho did not have a significant film collection.

In China.

I got here in 1979 Peter haggard.

And kosher.

are a couple names that come to mind we try to get a 16 millimeter film collection going, of course, that's extremely expensive and.

We found early on that, in general, most administrators weren't very much interested in that, because of the extraordinary cost of acquiring 16 mil prints and then, of course, maintaining them.

So you know, we had a few films, maybe citizen kane maybe come along in 16 mil prints.

Which is far too expensive for university of Idaho.

So.

Any so home video formats became more important, there was a very important to.

court case guess you know went to the US Supreme Court can cite it off the top of my head, which allowed for the.

The use of.

home video for match in a strictly educational setting.

So it had to be in a classes or recall if you're using.

A work in a home video format only for the members of the clients were registered in the converse with them and members of the class no outside people.

etc, which, which is absolutely fundamental for the study you film in the United States.

Otherwise, so very few universities, apart from what in Los Angeles, maybe UCLA.

Of course, they have a film and television archives, maybe southern California with that kind of money relationship with the industry.

So maybe they could show say in their auditoriums 35 millimeter prints and something was meant to be shown let's say the wasn't shot 70 mil but most universities and colleges couldn't afford it.

So 16 mil came became important but.

So many colleges and universities like Idaho couldn't even afford the rent of administrators would get the upset wire.

talking to me well West who are you weren't here last year, asking for rental money for 16 mil films.

I said yes, yes, I was dirt administrator well you know what's Bam then i'd and over what that would cost, and so, then when the video formats became more prevalent and that really allowed for the explosion of film study and US universities and colleges.

So early on, I had a relationship as an instructor University of Idaho to borrow clips from Howard Hughes telling classes, where I got the clips and then use those to illustrate what I was talking about.

All right, thank you, you heard my squeal of joy over the micro I have somewhat on my own decided to add to the.

To the project here and spend some time remembering the micro because I have to say i'm doing this whole project as somewhat of a history of.

Moscow a history of entertainment in Moscow, so if we can, can we just speak from you and your wife Joan were part owners for a while no.

issue the micro okay just part of it right, if there was a time I was going to close yeah it was owned by George bone deep hole and Bob suited.

In it was going to close because business is not good and Joan and I had followed the micro sensor arrival in Moscow 1979 I was flabbergasted with the programming for a town of about 18,000 or whatever was in 79 so we bought into the.

Enterprise probably it's probably a modest maybe give it about another decade that's good.

Well yeah.

Too many screens in town and.

The distributors really that that they don't want to deal with on our channel or sherburne don't give the have a huge opening and big city charge a big project and then, what are the eventually go to video alright, so you viewed the demise of the micro as linked to the.

Production of the film studios basically the distributors, I guess the distributors right exhibitors we were at the end.

The end of the chain for the distributors.

So I saw Chinese go story, I must have been a 1980s over and go to a lot of film festivals around the world, so I talked to Bob pseudo program the micro hey Bob we gotta get Chinese go store.

So he calls the distributor up no problem and a minimum time of bucking three weeks.

So that's not going to work in a rural setting you can you can run Chinese your story for three weeks, you can run it for three days.

And you'll lose some money, but you can't run it for two, three and Chinese go story I forget i'm just kind of this off the top of my head the distributor maybe had to print.

Now i'm going to read you open up New York again on in two years it's just say couldn't care about it's just business in a sovereign and an art Center in a little world study where's the other end of the line.

it's too we had I forget what 140 some sheets, maybe with those church pews, which is totally off the reader.

And i'm sure at all, yes, yes and we've had people on the series of interviews describing what the micro looked like how you walk down the church pews i've tried i've reached out to Bob pseudo Facebook, but he did not get back to me.

I had been told by someone that he would tell me that home video was part of the cause of the demise of the mind was your degree uh huh.

yeah is no God yeah yeah.

well.

When I taught for decades, I told Sean to for for 10 years, and also at indiana university.

A lot of students.

and others don't.

appreciate, so much the importance of.

Trying to view a film let's say a film in which the cinematography is really important let's say Lawrence of Arabia.

So there are there are a lot of the students and others who don't appreciate that important so much or respect the notion that the format, it was originally filmed in.

Is the best format, in which to see the film so then i'd have students, say, well, Professor West I finally saw Lawrence of Arabia, you know, on my telephone doctor's office i'm telling them what's the deal about that Professor West, it seemed pretty slow to me.

But there was less unless appreciation for the importance of the cinematography in the original format.

Do you know trial for the will the Nazi problem, yes, I do know that yeah I saw it as a matter of fact, in college, so now that you I was thinking about that it must have been on.

Film yeah well, of course, it was on film, I mean yeah 35 millimeter yes, unless they owned it but yes yeah it's been estimated.

At the time of the rise of.

A vast majority of young German men teenage boys.

Had screened and it showed everywhere, so to speak, for free.

And 35 mil per inch.

would have been quite impactful because the Nazis put at her disposal vast technical resources you won't traveling chance, let us set all this up for you, you probably don't remember there's a vertical tracking shot going up, they built a tower specifically for her.

So you get up there as a camera rises, you see, oh there's more and more these people get to the top panel left on my.

Pan right well gee there's.

Thousands, maybe.

10s of thousands, could it be hundreds of thousands.

So when you saw that in 35 millimeter.

With others with the song limited resources and the quality of the cinematography and the imagery it must have been quite powerful for a lot of the susceptible young men and teenage right.

This is this film was a relatively new medium, not new but yeah these were relative what's the name of that movie about 35 or is that.

Oh i'd have to i'd have to check that there were definite Nuremberg rounds it's one of the Nuremberg i'd have to double check it, but it was fundamental and in the United States, we had a version.

Excuse me.

We had a version with.

The racist film that.

Wilson showed in the birth of a nation, the White House.

birth of a nation audiences.

US audiences would have been amazed to see the track and chance.

To see the Cross cutting to see the clan ride a rescue.

And that film was used Sean 35 of course 35 mil used end of the 1950s as a recruiting tool for the client.

But the the power of the photography for both of those films isn't much of it, however, a retired in 2009 when I retired I think many.

students were not as attuned to that because you're Swanton imagery your family tree everyone.

Just advertisements are incredibly yeah yeah very interesting and there's another thing about trying for the will and i'd always wondered about hitler's and order, my German sound very good, but.

He also had access to an extraordinary microphone.

There would have been many people hearing him that have had never been able to hear political speeches with that clarity, if you think of our Lincoln Douglas debates.

How many people could ever hear okay and Hitler the microphones just before Hitler you had to be right close I forget carbon gets quite technical, but you couldn't move you had to be real but hipper had a new hot shot microphone and he could very his distance.

sideways laterally and back and forth Farinas gestural system more.

And do the end people probably never heard it most of them anything like that, from an order.

And of course that's in the film so that's a few thoughts on.

There became fewer and fewer people viewers worried about seeing something in its original format, the pound a pandemic, of course, will only have made this word, yes, yes fascinating.

Some other time i'd love to talk to you about microphones because it well i'll just say it here we are talking, but I do know that.

In fact, I met a man once named brownie that was his nickname his last name was Brown and there was a movie that came out that's entertainment and it was clips from a bunch of music.

And in it Judy Garland indiana Durban are both trying out for MGM and Judy Garland sounds beautiful and deanna Durban sounds.

awful Twitter he screechy just terrible she did have a strong vibrato but this man had seen that and he was at another studio and he said oh she's just not miked right.

And she went on to become a singing star now never Judy Garland but still, you know she she you've heard of deanna Durban i'm sure.

And then I remember when Howard Dean was running for President and appeared that he was screaming into a microphone and that was all just a bunch of playing with the microphone as I understood it, but the technique of how he was recorded.

Well, I don't know I just think it's fascinating I just think you can make or break someone with what kind of make your hand that's really what i'm getting at so that you know.

People appreciated.

seen a film in its original format less than less, yes, being a sovereign the micro you know we couldn't charge as much as say the kenworthy the time, one of the change let's say carmike.

So when we close our forget what our ticket was $1 $50 75 So if you got something like 140 sheet you got to be moving a lot of popcorn at that ticket price under $2.

And then there were other.

i'd be sitting there and back and the way Bob said, the fire Marshal you cannot lock the side or the building.

Because of the fire Marshal.

So you just said, and why should people come in with a.

Better going in the front door and downstairs and paying $1 50 you mentioned yeah i'm sorry yeah yeah.

Video became more and more important.

And that's what i've been doing, of course, i'm sure i'm on the editorial Board of this Journal in New York City is called seniors during the pan, I haven't been to a film festival sense so October 2019.

And I get from distributors exhibitors film festivals blah blah.

home video yep yep completely dependent on your home machine, yes, yes, so back to the video rental store did you go for your own fun, did you get movies that way just for yourself.

Sometimes, often would you say you went.

Too often, probably because.

Things I was writing about frequently filmmakers had given me when distributors, or even if you're writing about something got a c&c.

or some of those things I probably had access to other words.

So much of a personal patron little bit, but not a lot yeah so sure Yes, some but not not alone i've written a lot about my miracle Cuban I used to go to Cuba.

And wouldn't necessarily be and how musical some would be, but not necessarily.

Meanwhile, I knew the filmmaker personally he's given me a tape copy.

got it got it did you go to video stores, other than Howard Hughes all that one I mentioned, you could go to interesting, yes, just to see.

anywhere else in town, did you go there, there was Hastings there was one over in the Moscow ma is what we now call the East side marketplace remember going to one of these shows.

Like I did go to that one in the pullman hi yeah I think I wasn't tr video or video land or something remember.

yeah he went out of business yeah we're still using tubes okay mm hmm did you.

Okay well when you think of Howard Hughes video what look what location, do you think well both of them to show us both of them yeah but not use a lot of pictures yes.

yeah how did you like the story itself, how do you like, how it was screwed yeah was great dilemma was great easy to use any film more countries both layouts were easy to use.

I taught for years in a core curriculum for when we had a course called filming international culture, and it goes disclosures I should and Peter nygard with often to teach them with me and sometimes philo Brian.

For instance, later, I think, good job was to get into a song, and I would use quite a few clips for that.

For that course.

So instead of teaching trying for the world, I would use a clip.

And then, I just wanted to see the whole thing she or he could pay see it.

that's a good idea, you know.

Show me the university did an entire collection and work, yes, yes, yes.

Did you ever use the public library.

And are much I mean for film yeah well Sean Sean now for things but.

didn't have so much of what I needed for that, yes, yeah what Howard Hughes collection, you said they didn't have all the films, you would have wanted to see did you tell them to buy him or her that's multiple questions in one they're generally discussing.

Well, you know I write about a lot of films, you know I deal with people have no idea of films are made in Cuba yeah yeah maybe perhaps very greatest film.

In Latin America ever made in any genre is a film called memories of underdeveloped oh.

Well, I notice filmmaker.

Ben and his house and running to a university and I was involved in three efforts to bring him to the United States, of course.

You know, to the efforts failed third effort was already dying of cancer, when we brought in to Pacific Lutheran university gave a keynote trips well he's got a masterpiece called memories of under to Rome.

And, but songs from tubers in general, having.

traveled well outside of Cuba in general interest.

Amongst in launchers yeah well that that one's you better known so on, but I was also dealing with other Cuban filmmakers like a young woman.

filmmakers mixed race and making a film about issues in the revolution quite critical, but you know that's just a limited perception with that film and United States sure yeah yeah are you still in touch with her, oh no she passed away long ago ah.

OK OK.

Monique Lillard: um.

I just ask a few of the questions i've asked everybody and then we'll move on just a little bit here, did you think the video store.

At Howard Hughes and then later called mainstreet video What did you think it was important to Moscow, as a community or nurses extraordinary research how so well the breadth of what they offer.

And then, a lot of people had access to the video format phone off the every Head laser disc that might be interesting for you to find out yeah I don't think so, although I do remember what those were I don't think they had those they had video tapes.

And DVDs and BLU Ray yeah yeah well, let me state of the art home videos DVD and BLU Ray yes, at this moment laser discs are no longer state of our.

And I don't know if you know there's a tape tape went through a long, long.

evolution to paint home video for lunch, what do you mean it, how did it evolve, how did it change your company's tried to keep it from being used amongst different countries oh I don't think I know, which is a nightmare for Scotland okay explain.

A well if you buy a.

If you bought a tape.

You know I don't know what kind of shoes, France and then.

Maybe it only plays in their region that won't play in the United States right, so we own a machine that will play the at least the British ones i'm not sure if Britain and Europe are different from each other that's all I don't remember it.

Was years ago tape, of course, is long gone i'm sorry DVD.

DVD with Bennett.

continue.

Well, there you kind of make interests are paramount, yes, yes, she shut them off for me it's an art Nash assignable sanderson it's also business in the United States, you want to know about a film work in The Wall Street Journal, she would have made.

So what their companies controlling the rights they would try to control where you could see it in home video format so for scholars, this is a nightmare i'd go to all these countries filmmakers given well that doesn't work.

Just from Tunisia will is that you know I gotta have region, whatever and then of course the company's eventually did make all region players on course also going to cost you a lot more.

The companies don't care about research or scholarship or no it's about getting the running of course of course course I did you did you ever try to influence.

What movies Howard Hughes bought.

Did you put that you know they had they had a list running or did you ever have major situations and formal or informal yes yo infrequently I didn't.

stretch, though, did you interact with the staff, I know both knew some of y'all know who you were and.

yeah but I didn't.

I didn't.

regularly shave with this is what y'all hear from.

One of my early age, and they didn't ask him to yeah I didn't volunteer and it was a private business and, of course, were you aware, when the.

Current the latest owners before the Co operative we're trying to sell it and there was a lot of discussion should individuals by it.

Up maybe much the way you and Joan did you know should some of us tried to save this thing we part of those discussions, the collaborative oh no Okay, then live in a big way when.

Can we right we're almost there we're almost there, let me just get us there so.

Then it became cooperatives, did we are you even aware of that switch the name change, but were you very aware of the switch to the cooperative ownership, for your.

fingers or hundred dollars to be a member of the call yeah it was actually 200 will be an owner and we called the Member I was on the board, I wanted.

But feel free to you can you know I just wondered if you noticed any anybody could rent but people who were Member owners got to know that they were part owners and there were special deals, so you did by N, as you recollect are.

Both of you so rick hello, yes yeah yeah well don't remember one global Okay, do you have any thoughts on the pluses or minuses of going cooperative or was it not that important to you.

know I hadn't investigated the.

Economics of it mm hmm demographic sure everything and finish rural setting.

I mean you know there's new stuff I mean Seattle, you know you know or New York or and then these film festivals, which is very hard to see things here in a timely way.

Yes, well, and then you know.

For example, this computer that i'm using doesn't even have a trade to play a DVD you know it's it's the students started saying oh i'd love to go rent DVDs but I don't know how to play them, you know.

yeah that's good lunch you a little bit each screen exactly exactly make absolutely sure we're still putting yes, we are okay all right um so then.

Obviously the video store closed Do you remember where you were when you learned it had closed.

No, I don't remember them any emotions that comes to your mind you were you.

I would close I just didn't know when because it and see how it could be sustainable, the demographics mobile I knew nothing about the payroll taxes or the leash or I don't know anything about it, at least in the case of the micro I knew a little bit more about.

Some of those issues, but I didn't have any of those connections with a Co op that would allow me to judge how much time it could get it got way more time than I would have guessed original yeah yeah well and it was a Co op system that.

And really the generosity of the woman who was.

Well, at all of the people who owned the store, you know, giving the Co operative more and more time to properly buy it, you know, but that was really what stretched it out or she so now, I think that we come to.

An area that you were more involved in because, so why don't you describe what the kenworthy is now and what your role has been with the camera roll it can where there's a nonprofit.

and Main Street in Moscow Idaho the show films and also run theatrical productions and allow for private events and.

so on.

Sure don the film committee, for I don't know, maybe last five or six years.

And I was on the film committee when the Co op closed.

kenworthy.

took over the stock.

So I had hoped that much of the stock of the.

Video co op.

would go into the public sphere.

For the.

citizens and residents nice girl Moscow airy.

I thought it'd be an extraordinary resource to have those available in the public sphere.

So I talked to a lot of people about this and I wrote a lot of them on someone.

To.

chicken, not so much greater.

and

At one point I received in an email what the list of the works that were being offered for sale, I think, maybe for $2 apiece and either DVD or BLU Ray.

And I counted just glancing at the lowest I didn't even look at it carefully, as I recall, I counted on for five will eating.

Living contemporary us on tour.

for sale by the Channel clothing Woody Allen Richard linklater the coen brothers and I forget who wants and, in my humble opinion, instead of selling for $2 each so uncle billy can see the one to the phone and ensures nice from she comes to visit, would you how long.

It would have been better on so in a public library for a university library.

available to all till it wears off.

I talked to the library I believe it's a Carnegie library, we have quite a discussion.

pull up the dean of the school.

We had quoting discussion.

Because I understood that the University of Idaho library had been informed.

informed about what about the Kim more than taking over the stock or co op.

And I understood the dean of the library, to tell me that actually we can move he had not been in touch with him at that time about.

You handle that caught my attention, and I did ask him to put those in rain.

which we did.

And then I wrote more mammals to can where the stamps and console Amir.

And shown.

I gave all in one mmm I gave a lot of ideas about where those could be stored if that's a big problem in university, I would like to hear what you say about where they could be stored Oh well, I just had some thoughts every person.

30 years and the administration, building on was quite a bit space downstairs in the basement.

Nice and cool down there and sit down.

always a factor with film zone I don't recall suggesting addict.

I mentioned that old memorial Jim from the 1920s to handle, of course, that were built up there no longer being used, maybe some could be stored there on on maybe on a rotational basis and all kinds of other places in the university.

In case the dean of the library was going to suggest well Professor Western we'd like to have some of these but there's just nowhere to store.

Their sub basement of the library itself down in special collections on on them, in other words, I regarded these works in home video format.

The most important it's very important to artistic objects.

Now, much of the collection genre films that are.

pretty much just junk unless you're writing just about genres okay and get upset of on the classic films and I mentioned these over to rick I think i'd forgot a fifth one are these these should be for everyone and shouldn't be sold for $2 each.

seem to have a little influence.

So you, you mentioned to you already you will note on the kenworthy board, you were on a film committee as far as I know, the film Committee was never officially informed about this Okay, let alone and timely manner okay so surprised me now.

The video co op.

closed, I think, the very day that the governor said we're having our stay at home order.

and

Part of many people say when did a close and they think it was a long time ago it was march of 2020 so it was well we're going on a year and a half, I guess, but it seems longer ago I think too many of us.

And they they went to the can where they did you see them when they were all in boxes all around the cameraman okay I didn't I didn't think so because we were all at home and and then everybody was in mass right then came this idea of sort of selling them batch genre genre.

Somehow online, I never quite.

figured out how they were doing I was, I was a little late to the story, as were lots of people, people were involved.

Apparently we're very excited about about buying the science fiction, is one that really created a lot of individual individual consumers absolutely.

Well, they got all happy right i'm just trying to i'm just trying to sort of set this so that this need this district so to stand on its own here now you're saying you think it should have gone to a public entity to hold and then to.

lend out the way libraries do right most important elements of this color most important elements Okay, I would have preferred to see.

What the University of Idaho library, just as an example, energy, like that get first dibs.

On the collection and they could say oh my gosh what do y'all are you kidding me many believe he's the greatest living us fiction filmmaker today, we need, what do Richard linklater boom the coen brothers pick them off burst cherry pick the best.

library and make them available in the public sector.

Now genre films Kung fu TV series yeah some later to individual kind of show them.

But as soon as in canes.

get them in a library for everyone right right, so what this means when I wrote the the dean of the library, probably in these memos.

I don't know if you go to New York City a lot, my understanding is if you're a teenage kid in New York City.

When you get your so called library card, whatever that is now you have instant access to thousands and thousands of important DVDs and videos we've been talking to them for the will your team, you can check it out.

You can check it out that's a little different here in a rural setting.

So, in a rural setting to possess these DVDs and BLU rays in a place, like the university library sees justin.

And here we are, with what I call here the narrow band.

And i'm a Member of this library.

You know the old school library, you know, and of course the university library, so of course I use canopy.

ooh ooh ooh buffering.

they're still having buffering troubles.

i'm in a remote setting shutting the companies don't care anything about Idaho or so canopy.

complained a canopy it goes on and on, so if you process the DVDs and BLU rays you're not gonna have that buffer no problem.

Right yes yeah.

Are you ever told what did happen to the movies.

Are you still on the film committee for the for the kenworthy.

See, this is a very interesting thing in the process of doing this i've learned much more, and then, in fact, and it worried me because I think I made misstatements at the beginning of this.

i've learned that actually the University of Idaho has something like 15,000 of the move there were 35,000 are gone and i've heard that the kenworthy maintain it kept the entire criterion collection now they're not going to lend it out, but they kept it I heard they kept.

The French film section, which was pretty good considering it was Moscow Idaho you know they did not have a gym but but they had a lot of famous movies.

The University of Idaho and they're going to be listening to this within a few days and i'm hoping that this project spurs them to make clear what they've got they've got a ton of titles.

But it's in special collections, which means normally special collections doesn't circulate to every Tom Dick and Harry, and so I think they're working out something about well, are we going to let people see this aren't we you know how is this going to work.

I will just tell you that in the I remember reading your letters to the paper, or at least, there was an article in the paper.

I was right there with you cheering about holding the collection, all of us who were involved with the video co op felt that very strongly.

Having gone through this process and learning more I personally feel better I really wish and hope and think it will eventually come out to the community at large, what happened to those to those to those physical movies, you know the discs and.

I was going to say something I forgot what it was anyway reactions thoughts.

or a friend and.

colleague of mine is iver Nelson I did talk to him on the phone about to show.

You might be someone you might be interested in the interview he stretched me on the telephone with them, there was an extreme time element in the hallway this happened suddenly.

Things had to.

happen very fast or these might end up on the street, of course I knew nothing about.

That and I can't comment on that right, but understandable.

yeah an interview that I have not seen seen or heard that both newsome did as The interviewer he interviewed Jamie Hill, who was the was involved at the kenworthy with receiving all this.

And I interviewed someone else who helped just was helped her and unpack and repackage all these films.

There was a huge time constraint, because the store where the video store was had to be vacated, and so they just.

Really quickly, I was going to say flung but that's not literally, true, but they just jam everything into the aisles and everything at the kenworthy, but it was closed anyway.

i've also heard that those $2 sales went a long way to keeping the kenworthy floating financially.

But I think your point and I just want to stress this again your point is not they shouldn't have sold anything they had to keep all 35,000 your point was curators people who had who can kind of control the public sphere, should have gotten first dibs instead of potentially last.

One should an email or I don't know what percent maybe.

70 80% of the collection.

Probably didn't have much aesthetic.

What the library, so I should have gone.

To get the all copies so citizen kane set of Solomon with somebody for $2 apiece.

Maybe turn 20% of the collection, instead of the scraps afterwards, yes, I understand I think we'll all understand more when we get a comprehensive list of.

What the University of Idaho does have a copy of and.

I guess I don't know for sure who got first dibs I could guess but i'd rather not guests on on the tape here.

will be correct, but I don't that's only my guests here so yeah.

Sure, are very, very, very sheepish email from.

Quite emotionally involved in all I really didn't even want to look at the list of things for sale if other motions and institutions had been consulted, but.

One day, I decided well i'll have a glance and I were shocked to see.

These tours for sale.

For $2.

that's just that's completely.

Up problematic, in my opinion yeah.

So those institutions such as university, I will library and show the garden first shot.

And they're experts, I would have been building hilltown going through their soul so doesn't thing gotta save that what do you own anything by what Dr Richard linklater coen brothers yeah what her early on the list for $2 a pop yeah yeah.

How would what was the University of idaho's circulating collection like did you ever interact with that, yes, yes, oh is quite modest for when I used it.

When I used yes quite honest, I honestly would have expected them to have citizen kane and possible they might have yeah yeah I mean that's just an example, I know you're making.

You can't have too many countries are citizen kane well there you go, let me know when the usual we're out in the fish oil fingers, I mean yes oh kind of the library he's got seven copies of citizen kane and good yeah I mean.

right here one of my Members, you can think of a library that doesn't have copies of moby Dick will the same thing we're citizen kane right now with the home video format so accessible so many people, yes, yes.

I was astounded how the Kimberley got showing off importantly the steady stuff from apparently as far as I get to the get go, yes, when I got him on the phone with the Nino library.

I know that various people reached out to various libraries, including the University of Idaho Eastern Washington Washington state.

and various other months, I know that the woman before it went co operative she had called a lot of those places, and I know somebody at the kenworthy said something but i'm not sure, but.

There are people i'm not going to be transcribing all this and putting it all together that's for the people at the at the university but i'll be interested, because I know there's a wonderful young woman who's.

A cross referencing everything and i'll be interested maybe we can piece together a better story of who contacted whom when about what what were the offers that were made, you know.

Going into that in a number of memos mm hmm yeah one one, yes, yes, of course, the first thing I had done which go to the director Kimberly.

I understood or say one thing.

and

Monique Lillard: Then, when I talked to the dean of libraries and university of Idaho.

So.

When I mean there was no way whatsoever him.

Did you say you reached out to the Mayor, no.

Was he part of that kenworthy board or just as a matter of the public, the name of the community about the edge of challenges for North Asia township Moscow heart of the arch.

But they just want to solve each.

course I reached out to the mirror.

And had quite to exchange with the member of the city console.

I tie back what the library mentor me growing up in a small town in Ohio.

Where those school was free.

Public education was free I went through grades one through 12 in the same goal we call it to school.

they're graduating class there were over 200 people, you can imagine the overcrowding been overcrowded since the 1920s, the unbelievably underfunded.

And some of the quality of the instruction was extraordinarily poor, in my opinion, well across from the school about a black and a half away there's a thing called a library well they're restoring.

there's origin of species are read that, for I couldn't put it down origin of species right there boom, you want to see someone about the scientific method it's in the library.

Instead of being left with the coach Andy you're supposed to be telling you about what they might call watch sex education now given you know actual information of any kind whatsoever.

And I had so many teachers, I guess we're primarily coaches, they forced them to teach humping apparently didn't know much about, but there was a brewery Freud.

Was fried whoa whoa well I don't be day which enters seen marks, you name and for free well libraries can be important for.

You know, students, a model still means want to learn about some others.

So let's look first place I thought of or some of these.

Instead, understand completely interested in.

What i'm saying I can't comment if they were all going to be put out on Main Street, and the bulldozer I might have mentioned to them.

Somebody in a memo.

I understood that the kenworthy own they could do whatever they wanted and what I, my response to her or him up I said well you know they could they could put them in friendship Square and burn them if they get the permit.

Never contrasted that to kym worthy you know I didn't.

know you didn't contest their power to do things you just thought there was a more civic way to do it myself, I mean you up right yes.

Better in the civic shown to the public sphere.

Well, come on.

Well, this is, as I said, this is a story that we don't quite know the ending to this we don't quite know what happened to so many of those movies.

The alive the library is working on at the University of Idaho library is working on listing what they've got to get started and.

I don't know what the Ken where these ultimately going to do one thing that's emerged from these videos you are either my last or my second to last interview we so yeah.

Is a lot of people would like to know what happened to just some information would make a lot of people, I think a little easier in their minds, even if you disagree it's like well wait What did happen so yeah well you know.

I didn't know there were any public meetings about this, I know one other person on the film committee i'd show unless she was not consulted yeah I learned about this in the French yeah when I was already underway and they're going to sell things founder extremely upsetting.

and

Monique Lillard: So.

Well, so should you be sure to talk to over an ocean, or maybe I will I.

Almost out of time, but I know I bar so yeah well your honor so he lives right now and he's also in the library that must be public library board or at least was recently young Oh, I talked to them to mention the storage.

Storage storage comes up even for the store itself that kept coming up as an issue so yeah because it keeps getting more and more, of course, but yeah having storage two to three times, unfortunately.

I know what I mean literal I mean literal tongue and.

I believe you and I know what I don't have that many, but I moved around 79 or higher than the show my truck and it's much cheaper, I mean i'm not kidding about the Tongue tied a big long fishing industry.

What go ahead i'm sure no I just I know I was changed what type what town in Ohio to grow within northeastern Ohio and your akron OK OK so little town 12 miles of China.

But you know i'm not kidding about their quality education, some of them I had some great teachers also and i'm very thankful my sense was that education was not being well supported.

So unknown time i'm in this auditorium have a sloping floor on the stage of basketball teams playing down in the orchestra pit the work history practicing over here is the women's.

Health just for loyal and after they've seen the film or here is the driving and they can go out because it's snowing many of the parts of the water tutorial or study hall.

And all this noise and always are these coming down these what would they be half pint empty bottles of milk cross two or three cents from a glass container and and machine chocolate, no, these are rolled on the whole time so that's that was your study at home.

With the orchestra the basketball than women over the you know the driving hello, and people eating his lunch for other all in this huge huge.

mean the lack of funding.

On other hand, my mother came from nebraska there was no one or school which eventually she co teaching I don't know what to do with these two columns.

And then she wanted university nebraska officers teeny little farm in the 20s.

I can tell that you like movies, because the visual that you created with your words about that auditorium it ought to be in a movie oh dovish extraordinary remember sitting there and you're supposed to be doing you're studying you're just unbelievable condition.

But some of these teachers, there were clueless I was just.

we'd be out in the field and here's his tree and I won't mention his name he's using a book to.

tear down, and I said well do you, Mr X.

So it can American beach to me.

They get some air cannon they just trying to flora plot yeah wow he was your air oh man, he cannot read.

When he came down with a book, I know what a glance I know how much.

Sugar maple, I was interested in this growing up before I discovered people I learned as much as I could about.

bugs and stuff you know before I hit people.

forget all that, of course, Mark Twain would say just stick with cats.

should be going yeah yeah tell me all right i'm gonna ask you two questions you can pick which one are answerable funniest happiest weirdest memory of the video store if that's one question.

Give us some favorite movies, is your other question.

Will you skipped a video store mm hmm yeah good I want I want your movie REX when they said no, no, you should see.

numbers have been rebuilt okay i've gotten that written down Okay, you know in this initial release.

Many mainstream American critics, like the New York Times created.

That were flabbergasted.

subtly.

Probably expecting socialist.

religion.

But it's an extraordinarily subtle portrait.

of a man when the Cuban revolution comes to power we can't know be sympathetic to many other goals.

and other hand, he comes actually from the bourgeoisie.

into the middle most of his friends and relatives go to the States he's.

But he doesn't fit in very world is sympathetic.

it's an extraordinary portrait i'd love to see that manager owner home, you should be yeah.

yeah see well there's an example where would you look for that if you were looking for stream I could look in the libraries, first of all, but sure probably if you were streaming Where would you Lord, oh no we don't know I have associate.

Oh hey have three or four things now just released it every every day I get probably eight to 13.

Things from distributors and they'll provide you with a private strainer and I can let other people see that is whether or not i'm going to be writing.

So I dont preach what you're right okay gotcha not but I will look for that movie I really appreciate your time, let me say Let me close this out and then Allah so we're going to stop this interview right now, and thank you so much for your time and your insights and we've been through.

I hope this work to me know if you want any follow OK, I will crush I sure hope, I think it did yeah i'm probably trying to leave town.

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