Jess Taylor and Dorothy Taylor Interview #6 Part 1, 11/06/1974 [transcript]

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;19;06 Speaker 1 You’ve been a great man and would. But I don’t want to be in the club. I don’t want to go to those.

00;00;19;07 - 00;00;23;13 Speaker 2 That trail’s still been, you know.

00;00;23;15 - 00;00;50;07 Speaker 1 Gone. It is up to the top from the other side. The bit that I can go up and I can take working up. But the last place you don’t stay with the train. It goes in the right moment. You know where you’re going. Even you can screw around and pick it up back and forth and forget about the lodgepole man, though the nut climbed up there wide and it’ll be a big pine tree down across here and there.

00;00;50;09 - 00;00;54;04 Speaker 1 But it hadn’t been cut out to my knowledge at all.

00;00;54;11 - 00;00;57;11 Speaker 3 Did it have the old horse or blade or single blazer?

00;00;57;14 - 00;00;59;23 Speaker 2 Yeah, Yeah. They’re bottom.

00;00;59;25 - 00;01;00;11 Speaker 1 Already up to.

00;01;00;11 - 00;01;07;13 Speaker 3 Be. So that was really an early, early trail.

00;01;07;15 - 00;01;22;26 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. There’s no sun down here. And look over my shoulder over here. Yeah, it’s a university. it is? Yeah, It’s like a pretty old.

00;01;22;28 - 00;01;35;04 Speaker 1 Well, I think of been from Oak Grove out there. I’ve got about a half a case of a good powder. And can you. A lot of time to get a hold of me or I’ll.

00;01;35;04 - 00;01;47;28 Speaker 2 Go blowing and. And then I do a little work here and there and I’m do a lot of work. Real quick. You might not get over the look.

00;01;47;29 - 00;01;55;12 Speaker 1 But know this powder now, you know, it brought that differently and it don’t feel bitter.

00;01;55;12 - 00;02;00;20 Speaker 2 Make the old poplar to freeze in the freeze like.

00;02;00;22 - 00;02;05;01 Speaker 1 No no.

00;02;05;04 - 00;02;06;28 Speaker 2 I ran into the past of that stuff one.

00;02;06;28 - 00;02;15;12 Unknown Time in South Central Utah and it was all you could see.

00;02;15;19 - 00;02;16;28 Speaker 2 The thing is saturated.

00;02;16;28 - 00;02;23;01 Unknown And it was right next to the road and somebody coming.

00;02;23;01 - 00;02;34;20 Speaker 2 On mountain in their jeep, they bounce out of the rough and the chance hit the stuff, you know? Well, you know, you never know.

00;02;34;21 - 00;02;35;10 Speaker 1 And I didn’t.

00;02;35;11 - 00;02;36;18 Speaker 2 Get out of it.

00;02;36;20 - 00;02;48;05 Speaker 1 And I’ll do it about but dynamite myself. Is that all? No carbonated water. But when you get that tap next to it and then you.

00;02;48;05 - 00;03;06;13 Speaker 2 Want to like that, we end up big enough that happens in the creek and to raise the curtain apparently for seismographic work, we picked it up very, very carefully and took it all in the sand and burned it.

00;03;06;15 - 00;03;08;20 Speaker 1 I built this section of trail.

00;03;08;23 - 00;03;10;17 Speaker 2 And they’re going to drill down here through the.

00;03;10;17 - 00;03;36;25 Speaker 1 Range of 4000 feet of it. And blowed down the hole. Pick that up down there. The guard went to Wal-Mart and checked it way up there, you know, spread out about for it to get hanging up there. Made it a bit out of it. It was probably 75 feet gone. And it was really dangerous. They were not.

00;03;36;28 - 00;03;37;27 Speaker 2 Good.

00;03;37;29 - 00;03;42;21 Speaker 1 At that drill. Get the better of it. And I love up by when I went off.

00;03;42;23 - 00;03;47;22 Speaker 2 To where.

00;03;47;24 - 00;03;54;28 Speaker 3 Would that be? The man would he be? And he wouldn’t be able to bring him in there.

00;03;55;00 - 00;04;05;23 Speaker 1 Why are they? That may be boys coming in.

00;04;05;25 - 00;04;10;25 Unknown You were to find out. Yeah.

00;04;10;28 - 00;04;15;08 Speaker 3 Well, we get in later. I’ll put on the other land. You go down to the.

00;04;15;08 - 00;04;16;06 Speaker 2 Capital.

00;04;16;08 - 00;04;17;05 Speaker 5 Up here and.

00;04;17;05 - 00;04;21;06 Speaker 2 Over here.

00;04;21;09 - 00;04;50;17 Speaker 1 Well, we set it up pretty little bit, you know, in here.

00;04;50;20 - 00;04;58;17 Speaker 3 What would you do on these floors? Would you say anything but everything on them? Yeah, well, you know that. You know you’re going to get pretty handy.

00;04;58;20 - 00;05;06;05 Speaker 1 Yeah. I don’t know. We’ve been getting quite a bit of air in our interior. Anywhere in there.

00;05;06;05 - 00;05;10;13 Speaker 2 I kind of knew how to do it. Now, let’s just look for exterior.

00;05;10;17 - 00;05;12;10 Speaker 1 Yeah.

00;05;14;20 - 00;05;17;17 Speaker 2 nobody bark over there.

00;05;18;16 - 00;05;25;12 Speaker 1 they’ve got plan B up there. Yeah, but make that up and it maybe get by pulling in and come.

00;05;25;13 - 00;05;30;00 Speaker 3 By the gear. Have anything to do with Don Schneider?

00;05;30;02 - 00;05;34;03 Unknown Election Limited? No. If he came over on.

00;05;34;03 - 00;05;39;12 Speaker 3 The fairway quite a bit there, it was probably a co-op.

00;05;39;15 - 00;05;47;15 Unknown You know. But he’s from Boise. That veterinarian. Yeah. And they would come in the Red River and had a.

00;05;47;15 - 00;05;58;18 Speaker 3 Big mass with them. I know. And they it was just like a commercial outfit and all respect and a good ranch. Some of the the outfitters over.

00;05;58;18 - 00;06;04;22 Unknown There, you know, they just didn’t know what to do you know. Well on the only way to.

00;06;04;25 - 00;06;15;09 Speaker 1 Regulate the take on this game is through out there to not make the bank a lot better than not five by overnight here you there get into what you out here and get out.

00;06;15;11 - 00;06;18;10 Speaker 2 But that’s pretty well under control now.

00;06;18;13 - 00;06;20;00 Speaker 1 But you’re going.

00;06;20;02 - 00;06;22;13 Speaker 5 To during the weekend.

00;06;22;20 - 00;06;42;00 Speaker 3 I don’t know when I took off And so you are you know, I see people around at all know they didn’t have time to get out. But just as I take off and I made a short bank, the last one right down the street below and they was acting it down downstream, you know, so he guys to just picked up the go down there and then I assume I would be too far down first.

00;06;42;02 - 00;06;43;17 Speaker 3 Then he would be going.

00;06;43;19 - 00;06;49;05 Speaker 1 Feeling off and go Can he go that boat. Great. He goes up there, get a little green.

00;06;49;07 - 00;06;55;11 Speaker 3 Unless we get as I this is I put off bank you know you can bank upstream here and he’s right.

00;06;55;13 - 00;06;56;13 Speaker 1 Below the big guard.

00;06;56;22 - 00;07;01;12 Speaker 3 yeah. Just right straight below that. Know where you take off and just turn right there.

00;07;01;14 - 00;07;13;08 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. Well I’d be below the management below the left there. Well they’d be, I would know him, they pick them up there on the creek then later went up on the bar and picked them up.

00;07;13;10 - 00;07;15;15 Speaker 5 Make it a walk down.

00;07;15;18 - 00;07;21;15 Unknown I, I don’t have any idea. I get that cradle and.

00;07;21;15 - 00;07;26;00 Speaker 1 Then pretty there where it all worked out would be river that.

00;07;26;00 - 00;07;32;06 Unknown Record the stream there you take three strike across to get him on the bar.

00;07;32;14 - 00;07;56;12 Speaker 1 yeah they made that’s always been important proposition There were we grew we grew up there. Well they all do and the cradle right. Be right back I told your bar what they call even born. And they used to be a secondary lookout or a creek and that’s why they built the trail up there. But it’s a, well, good background, a good trail.

00;07;56;14 - 00;08;02;14 Speaker 1 And then we were on back in victory after that.

00;08;02;17 - 00;08;08;19 Unknown So I wouldn’t know the best way to patrol the bar. Well.

00;08;08;22 - 00;08;11;22 Speaker 1 Yeah, but no, nowhere to go. And they’re going to get.

00;08;11;24 - 00;08;15;18 Speaker 2 Up.

00;08;15;20 - 00;08;19;01 Speaker 3 At mile.

00;08;19;04 - 00;08;22;10 Speaker 2 You know. Where are they going to do it? Yeah.

00;08;22;10 - 00;08;55;22 Speaker 1 What I was going to say was that when I first started on in here, there’s several outfits now outside the column. Maybe 40 had a heart and some hunter and they get that they get like that or country over like people up there and and go back and then they leave their that is nothing but that that and we had a telephone that what do you call that partner that we like you in here and that thing and then they come in and say, this ain’t got a dog, here we are.

00;08;55;24 - 00;09;11;26 Speaker 1 We get you had a heart and taken good care of a and they come in here and when they go out to that bed down here, that whole lower and they’re up in the Golden Creek and they put a stop to it, they have come in.

00;09;11;28 - 00;09;16;19 Unknown And they come in.

00;09;16;21 - 00;09;22;08 Speaker 5 Is infirmities the they are they don’t care now and I fine.

00;09;22;08 - 00;09;24;16 Speaker 3 Tonight I don’t know.

00;09;24;18 - 00;09;34;12 Speaker 1 Well it would be well anyhow attempting to find out and if they’re put on that kind of a day long band might get better knowing well in Wrangler one would hope so.

00;09;34;14 - 00;09;36;24 Speaker 3 They know that they flew in.

00;09;36;26 - 00;09;51;26 Speaker 1 With they on where they get dumped on or off on your bar. Well that they’re going down across the middle more but I didn’t care for it but it blind beat their territory or somebody help me out with now doctor had it.

00;09;51;26 - 00;09;54;16 Speaker 5 For a long time.

00;09;54;19 - 00;10;06;08 Speaker 1 Now back in Pocatello and I approached them on time one No you on the parents that we’d like to have it for us to take the one to go down there.

00;10;06;10 - 00;10;15;13 Unknown And they were pretty low there and with you and even turned them my understanding told.

00;10;15;14 - 00;10;25;16 Speaker 1 A body out you can, you can turn your right with you can give. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;10;25;18 - 00;10;36;13 Speaker 3 When I take off in their day I looked across and there’s it looked like an exploratory hole know right across it was for the light blue vein goes down. Yeah. What’s the history on that.

00;10;36;16 - 00;10;39;23 Speaker 1 I think the natural case it is Yeah.

00;10;39;25 - 00;10;45;14 Unknown About maybe even made and you know Roger where I never.

00;10;45;14 - 00;10;50;19 Speaker 1 Thought it worthwhile to go up there and look at overlook little Caribbean but yeah it does. Yeah.

00;10;50;22 - 00;10;52;14 Speaker 3 I mean I didn’t really look it over.

00;10;52;14 - 00;10;58;04 Unknown But it just when I turned around looking right at it, I wondered.

00;10;58;06 - 00;11;07;26 Speaker 3 You said you had a plastic thing. You have one thing down here. Too much color or.

00;11;07;29 - 00;11;34;21 Speaker 1 I got to. I’ve got no particular color outside of what was in the general Big Creek area on the one on big rig down here. I’ve kept them over the year Mark the Newton Valley, they had the in fact part of the official did me all that when I came back he that is pocket.

00;11;34;28 - 00;11;36;20 Speaker 2 Certain person that.

00;11;36;23 - 00;11;57;23 Speaker 1 Going I’m going in to go in the beautiful basement and you see that beaten over there and in about my acre and we were on the what had my claim of that and I said well are I know I couldn’t work on and I while I was gone and I couldn’t record it, but I presume under my.

00;11;57;26 - 00;11;58;17 Speaker 3 Coverage, you know.

00;11;58;17 - 00;12;25;11 Speaker 1 I would be entitled to that privilege. But I said, I’ll get three bottom. So I get around the republic and I regard my work every year, every year and all levels there and all at that inaccurate rate. Go And then in clay. Clay and back then right there in a big boulder limestone field. Yes, they were down at a terminal of a glacier or something.

00;12;25;13 - 00;12;25;27 Speaker 3 Yeah.

00;12;26;00 - 00;12;48;01 Speaker 1 And then one report from the Geological Survey I got was in Spokane, came in. Why? They made the same evaluation on it. But it with that level, it wouldn’t justify it. But what I could get if I did the bedrock might be a different. Probably.

00;12;48;04 - 00;12;55;27 Speaker 3 But that the black thing. And that wasn’t anywhere at all. Or is that just black that Well.

00;12;55;29 - 00;13;11;20 Speaker 1 I don’t know if they really detonated, but I sent my equipment a nickel right along. I think I sent that about three. Now I feel the same.

00;13;11;23 - 00;13;21;20 Speaker 3 With there’s a couple of outcrops over in the shell way here and most of them are long dikes, you know, and they’re similar.

00;13;21;23 - 00;13;22;11 Speaker 1 You know.

00;13;22;16 - 00;13;28;11 Unknown In some of that. I guess some of it’s been good with one fella. He’s been back in there thinking.

00;13;28;11 - 00;13;31;13 Speaker 3 That boy.

00;13;31;15 - 00;13;34;19 Unknown He’s an outfitter over there. And I know in.

00;13;34;21 - 00;13;46;10 Speaker 3 Got knowing real well over the years you know one man Yeah. And you didn’t know what to do. You know that you liked the country so much. And even if he sold it out there and still spend most of the time back there.

00;13;46;13 - 00;13;53;00 Unknown You know, and you get very limited.

00;13;53;02 - 00;14;07;22 Speaker 1 Well, that’s a really the only reason that I that I found it. Another reason is that you can put in about the motor vehicle and take out of a runway and drive about a 5% rate.

00;14;07;24 - 00;14;09;05 Speaker 3 I saw that.

00;14;09;07 - 00;14;16;21 Speaker 1 Yeah. And I’ve got dropped all rode on. I remember the 180 in there and we’d go down a couple of days.

00;14;16;25 - 00;14;18;03 Speaker 5 Directly from.

00;14;18;06 - 00;14;18;29 Speaker 3 So Yeah.

00;14;18;29 - 00;14;37;02 Speaker 1 Yeah I know that way on of airfield in those bar if they build your bar blade up and down the creek and it subject that they were watching a fading wind that way and you’d never have any wind trouble on that side again. You never got all blocked off.

00;14;37;04 - 00;14;39;06 Speaker 3 When I saw it.

00;14;39;08 - 00;14;50;07 Speaker 1 Well it did not move. It brought about by a good 1600 feet there and you wanted to blast a little farther. You could get three or four more hundred.

00;14;50;09 - 00;14;55;09 Speaker 3 1600 or with that my age, that that’s equivalent to about 3000.

00;14;55;09 - 00;15;05;27 Speaker 1 But when might. Yeah. That’s all you’d ever need That and the cleared for takeoff you can just bail out on nothing you know.

00;15;05;29 - 00;15;10;05 Speaker 5 But I pulled a good irrigated it.

00;15;10;07 - 00;15;28;10 Speaker 1 Yeah. Day in you can see where it’s been or getting back the your neck are still there and I found I found a water right on it and at the same time that I filed on all of it I’m one out of good good.

00;15;28;13 - 00;15;35;02 Speaker 3 And they, they give it to you on that. yeah. So you’ve still got that. yeah.

00;15;35;04 - 00;15;41;13 Unknown And, but they would.

00;15;41;13 - 00;16;10;01 Speaker 1 Know. They grow right up on one side of it over there. You can go up there and still and they use irrigated and cut the hay with the side there for the water really tightened down. And you probably have we had ah that’s all I ever noticed why I’d be at that little bit of hay there. You know that item through and there you were then back in the rock field off of it.

00;16;10;03 - 00;16;25;12 Unknown So you know, I’ve been down there, but I haven’t been to that beautiful thing. We’re going to.

00;16;25;14 - 00;17;06;12 Speaker 1 Have that down about I think 25 feet through that clay. If I started in right up and went down for a year work and I stepped out of that and went down again thinking maybe eventually I’d if they were better, but they’re not doing, I just stayed in that straight clay and I would go up and there’s been the a little Crookwell black band there and that’s, that’s a mental bearing the the black that were quarter in Newton ball of clay in your hand.

00;17;06;14 - 00;17;11;08 Unknown The funny deal.

00;17;11;11 - 00;17;16;03 Speaker 3 I wonder if you could you think it might be worth a hoot for Potter.

00;17;16;06 - 00;17;18;29 Speaker 5 I don’t know I don’t know that you can.

00;17;19;01 - 00;17;21;21 Speaker 2 Boy you’re kind of blue.

00;17;21;24 - 00;17;23;15 Speaker 1 And a blue gray looking play.

00;17;23;20 - 00;17;25;29 Speaker 3 With certain the same colors in that big.

00;17;26;01 - 00;17;28;00 Speaker 1 Band. Yeah, yeah.

00;17;28;02 - 00;17;31;07 Speaker 3 Yeah. It. It about the same strike or the same.

00;17;31;10 - 00;17;35;06 Speaker 1 Can you tell. Well it probes I would say about.

00;17;35;09 - 00;17;36;00 Speaker 3 It’s pretty steep.

00;17;36;06 - 00;18;03;14 Speaker 1 In about 1 to 1 where that clay it, it is kind of a little point picked out there and in great big boulder appeared never a bigger diagram there you looking at. you know and be a lot but in I’d blown a great big boulder right out of the top of it and made a hole I get the look and the crop and I cleaned it all out and it didn’t quite and then I get it right on just step out the middle of that and go down.

00;18;03;14 - 00;18;32;29 Speaker 1 And I progressively went down there like I thought it probably went down then I think they’re at least in like and I’m just up and down about five feet in time and that’s the way I but it clear to you and I’ve got a big it that’s my old bow but I don’t know how I get on that but I you know I like good place they know they didn’t.

00;18;33;01 - 00;18;35;11 Speaker 3 They just losing that at all or.

00;18;35;14 - 00;18;38;05 Speaker 1 No but the creek right there.

00;18;38;05 - 00;18;53;18 Speaker 3 Yeah yeah. you think would any of Dave lose his papers, clarify whether or not he was in the Spanish-American War?

00;18;53;21 - 00;19;07;09 Speaker 1 I don’t think I have anything that pertains to and I just don’t know. And I can’t recollect that he ever told me what he did about every other metric.

00;19;07;09 - 00;19;40;06 Speaker 3 I’m alone in going over the correspondence there. There was a deal I was of around between. I guess that was it. Well we’ve seen Erickson pot you know and then there was an instance where all it said was the graduate student was up in one of those camps and he said something that is a higher that whether they led many sheep around, you know, and said, well, that’s funny.

00;19;40;06 - 00;19;40;22 Speaker 3 You know, we’ve been.

00;19;40;22 - 00;19;46;26 Speaker 1 Glancing at well, it had one pair that go out there and we ran right in the go.

00;19;46;28 - 00;19;49;02 Speaker 3 Yeah, well anyway, because my word.

00;19;49;03 - 00;20;12;20 Speaker 1 Anything went on were in the row on the property here at all that the boy and I know him and I didn’t Eric you might find Pete asked me you couldn’t find anybody you wouldn’t ask me or unaware of around that in the whole country. And I could hear him on the heap, but I thought, well, if he’s not interested enough to ask me where he borrowed, go to find them.

00;20;12;20 - 00;20;14;15 Speaker 1 Why? Why should I.

00;20;14;15 - 00;20;15;09 Speaker 2 Care?

00;20;15;12 - 00;20;24;11 Speaker 1 And I went to recording and then he fell in the camp. Not like the big black bluff here.

00;20;24;11 - 00;20;27;07 Speaker 5 Back in is good grades.

00;20;27;10 - 00;20;29;09 Speaker 2 Yeah.

00;20;29;12 - 00;20;42;24 Speaker 1 And just opened up and caught that. He wandered there, but, well, in the creek in the country and that I take that off man said go that up there looking over it but that around.

00;20;42;24 - 00;20;43;14 Speaker 3 School.

00;20;43;17 - 00;20;46;23 Speaker 1 When they went Yeah.

00;20;46;26 - 00;20;53;07 Speaker 3 Well my question when I saw the picture Dwight Smith I was just going to what he he wasn’t that fella. Well they don’t.

00;20;53;09 - 00;21;00;02 Speaker 5 Know I was in here. yeah. And in the early fifties.

00;21;00;13 - 00;21;01;05 Speaker 1 yeah.

00;21;01;08 - 00;21;02;04 Speaker 5 A long time.

00;21;02;04 - 00;21;07;12 Speaker 1 Ago I think probably we were filmed in one right here. I couldn’t be here. No, we were up.

00;21;07;12 - 00;21;11;10 Speaker 5 Here where we because he took pictures of was sheriff that.

00;21;11;17 - 00;21;12;01 Speaker 1 yeah.

00;21;12;03 - 00;21;19;03 Speaker 5 He’s right away and he was there for two or three days. Go out. You have to throw it down to create.

00;21;19;05 - 00;21;31;03 Speaker 3 I remember the picture, you know, and he said that he was working on sheep and and it triggered and I just wondered if it was that, you know, because there were no names mentioned in the Correspond and no, you know, Well.

00;21;31;06 - 00;21;32;02 Speaker 5 They didn’t have to.

00;21;32;02 - 00;21;55;19 Speaker 1 Be in and how to make any change over at all. Exactly. That blew me out of place and walked into in the woods and camp and yet making remark there wasn’t any heat in the corner of the 800 bed in there. But the download I think don’t you take a look through the scope and page. Well the well where they did water but it was clear out of their out of reach what Yeah.

00;21;55;21 - 00;21;57;05 Speaker 5 Well prairie.

00;21;57;08 - 00;22;02;20 Speaker 3 You out in the Hey you you know how I ever have any degree or anything.

00;22;02;23 - 00;22;27;15 Speaker 1 Well now you know you take on her gear and you’ve got hardened and not they’re real hunters No. Up to go around they’ll go out of here and with a declaration there’s not an out in the country. Well they wait around maybe a couple of weeks, you get a good big snow and I country, I mean birds start breaking up and popping out onto these grassy points and then you start the out the air down there in Green Bay.

00;22;27;15 - 00;22;51;24 Speaker 1 Now that’s where they are with them. That matter right here, this big basin across here. When I think the June graph in there, down in October, that hot methane dirty head out right here, right, right now. And I got up there and with 100 and we went around the mountain here and come down on top of up to a they were, they were going out.

00;22;51;24 - 00;22;54;00 Speaker 3 Of their grain.

00;22;54;02 - 00;23;04;21 Speaker 1 But the no going feet now bring them up the all the green been there and then down an old swamp and that road and they don’t like that so they’re getting a bad deal.

00;23;04;23 - 00;23;12;21 Speaker 5 One time just the day before I’m thinking of roasting about them now you know burnt right in the town. Got right to.

00;23;12;21 - 00;23;13;25 Speaker 3 The spot like over you.

00;23;13;25 - 00;23;19;02 Speaker 5 And the day before the thing.

00;23;19;04 - 00;23;22;00 Unknown You’re here chomping at the.

00;23;22;00 - 00;23;23;16 Speaker 2 Bit.

00;23;23;19 - 00;23;27;05 Speaker 5 Now. They were good. They didn’t want to do you know.

00;23;27;07 - 00;23;31;27 Speaker 1 Doctor, every year and.

00;23;32;00 - 00;23;32;27 Speaker 5 In the summer camp.

00;23;33;03 - 00;23;50;13 Speaker 1 In the summertime and a gallon of your own water, I ran over there and it felt turned around but didn’t inhale. And we’re here and.

00;23;50;15 - 00;24;07;24 Speaker 3 And see I let me the first part of that one tape I didn’t get only the second side, but somehow we got off the question of either who was gored by the bull or who was in the battle with the bull with the hay night.

00;24;07;26 - 00;24;08;20 Speaker 1 Well, we found it.

00;24;08;27 - 00;24;11;21 Speaker 5 Well, we.

00;24;11;24 - 00;24;25;24 Speaker 1 Started with Abel. Abel? Yeah. And that that was the Bellingham run. And we got one night back in the day, you know, by then, he fell heir to this important olive branch up here on the upper end.

00;24;25;29 - 00;24;26;27 Speaker 3 Now.

00;24;27;00 - 00;24;36;00 Speaker 5 I mean, I think you’re wrong on that, How is that section up there? You know, I’m in Bellingham.

00;24;36;01 - 00;24;38;15 Speaker 1 Well, I guess they had and they probably heard I heard.

00;24;38;18 - 00;24;43;15 Speaker 5 No, he went in there and homesteaded it after her husband died.

00;24;43;28 - 00;24;45;06 Speaker 1 she was.

00;24;45;08 - 00;25;23;15 Speaker 5 Well, you know, there a boy with a man who won’t do a portion of caring for. And after his sister’s husband died, who was burying him, he was down here. Up there. Now, I never knew her. After he died, she was around, so she came in to be with her brother and then homesteaded the adjoining piece of property.

00;25;23;17 - 00;26;05;11 Speaker 5 Sure. You all you told me and my mine and all the way down a little. then, you know, things. Pictures were there in the caravan, and I thought a lot of them. And they belonged to Mrs. Bellingham with her brother. It was awful. But I always gamble when I’m before I ever came in the country. So just so you know, he was the first to be killed.

00;26;05;13 - 00;26;08;07 Speaker 2 Girl, I know.

00;26;08;10 - 00;26;13;05 Speaker 5 But they didn’t know for sure he was guard, Right. And brought them with him.

00;26;15;02 - 00;26;20;21 Speaker 1 where they know it was the most likely they’ll.

00;26;20;24 - 00;26;47;24 Speaker 5 And then I don’t know what I remember her going. You know what he left after he died. After he was buried. He left right And there that this all happened. It was passed by the town. We got into the country and people by the name or maybe moved down to the ranch and then we we we were friendly with them.

00;26;47;24 - 00;26;58;22 Speaker 5 And that’s when I was in to have a friend get something. Never left in the cabin. And I will. I will go.

00;26;58;25 - 00;26;59;27 Speaker 3 You mean a.

00;27;00;02 - 00;27;20;24 Speaker 5 No, no, But it’s that they don’t. At that time, we the male came down the creek only as far as having creek, and we used to have to go out there and now we are.

00;27;20;24 - 00;27;24;09 Speaker 3 They brought it Now were they flying it in the camp bakery.

00;27;24;11 - 00;27;24;18 Speaker 1 Down the.

00;27;24;18 - 00;27;25;29 Speaker 5 Drain. Yeah.

00;27;26;01 - 00;27;28;16 Speaker 1 We going got be flying around it.

00;27;28;19 - 00;27;30;03 Speaker 3 Over there right. Yeah.

00;27;30;05 - 00;27;32;01 Speaker 5 It came down on my.

00;27;32;03 - 00;27;37;16 Unknown Right or and here far is that.

00;27;37;18 - 00;27;39;08 Speaker 5 Seven mile.

00;27;39;11 - 00;27;45;12 Speaker 2 To seven mile from here to get back to my creek up to the. Well I guess he came from Big Creek.

00;27;45;15 - 00;28;02;16 Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah. I would think. Yeah. It wasn’t. Do they fact not cry. But if they had to stay on the ground lowering it, they had a cabinet. Their big idea.

00;28;02;18 - 00;28;15;07 Speaker 3 Now what about the little plant on this side of Big Creek That’s right up by Gavin Creek. Pretty close. They got a real short airstrip on it now.

00;28;15;19 - 00;28;23;22 Speaker 5 that would be down here about three miles above. Yeah, it’d be terrifying range.

00;28;23;24 - 00;28;24;28 Speaker 2 More service by that.

00;28;24;28 - 00;28;32;29 Speaker 5 You know, I got I think it was so and by then they were very bitter.

00;28;33;01 - 00;28;35;26 Speaker 1 They got the doing more doing.

00;28;35;28 - 00;28;38;03 Speaker 3 More or less than that. Yeah. I don’t know.

00;28;38;06 - 00;28;40;25 Speaker 5 How about now on the other side.

00;28;40;28 - 00;28;46;19 Speaker 1 You know, that’s on the trail. They had to do it more. They would always run and.

00;28;46;21 - 00;28;50;03 Speaker 5 And you’re, you read a fine terrible line here.

00;28;50;06 - 00;29;10;12 Speaker 1 You get everything figured out and get carried up then he get back out of it. He didn’t want got in the picnic line so he tied them up right away and we didn’t know what to do and thought, you know, but the rest.

00;29;10;13 - 00;29;46;02 Speaker 5 Is wrong that you won’t go to the part of the time he owned Durand Line that he married period, was living on the ranch and taking care of it for in the fall. He gave me him and it was Curtis who carried the mail in the last year that they used horses. And while he was building that he would command and that’s the mail right here.

00;29;46;04 - 00;30;16;16 Speaker 5 He’s he’s a little run and Cherokee and he can only there are only certain horses that he could manage and that she can get up on. Yeah, I hear he went up to victory and he got the mail and, and your mother at this time decided it was cheaper to have you grocery send him by far probably than it was to have them.

00;30;16;20 - 00;30;39;20 Speaker 5 I don’t know how they got him. Sit down again. I guess I’m going. There was the whining here then have have burning and he’d go down and get them. So he had the mail in the parcel post and he had a case of mail when he got somewhere down the line by looking over the mail, going all over the hillside.

00;30;39;23 - 00;30;43;07 Speaker 5 And he, you know, already in me up in Oklahoma.

00;30;43;07 - 00;30;50;20 Speaker 2 And to get to see or take that.

00;30;50;23 - 00;31;26;04 Speaker 5 He was very I think, come down occasionally and he was the very independent person. He would come down here. We brought her a girl and he would take her horses down to Corral and confirm they care of them. Why they’d come back. And I can’t remember. I think we had cancer that horses do carry the heavy with us here and very independent and in your rear.

00;31;26;06 - 00;31;56;21 Speaker 5 We had a young one year, Mr. and when he was growing out you would look up at one, right? Right. And he’d go out there visiting to get out. There are two trails, the one from Parent Creek up your point, and you look back to what they come down here and sometimes you can bet that he came down here to the senior.

00;31;56;24 - 00;32;19;17 Speaker 5 Well, I don’t remember. He couldn’t get it. He couldn’t get back on Quinny. He got on board and walked very, very quickly and she ran her door a great, great queen. You wouldn’t let her on.

00;32;19;19 - 00;32;30;04 Speaker 3 See Johnson, the photographic shop you mentioned in Boise that it was his father.

00;32;30;06 - 00;32;34;18 Speaker 5 With his brother, you 50 figures. Are you still hoping?

00;32;34;20 - 00;32;36;15 Speaker 3 Do you remember what his name.

00;32;36;15 - 00;32;49;23 Speaker 5 Was and your answer? And and, and yeah, I think they were going to do when they’re Norwegian.

00;32;49;25 - 00;32;58;06 Speaker 3 Yeah, I was just thinking he might have the negatives, you know, he might still have them catalog or something for his son.

00;32;58;09 - 00;33;19;01 Speaker 5 I’m sure they’re asking Johnson and his wife wonder and living out for the year in Palm Springs. but the boy has the sharp in boy and he photographic work but they’re the old negatives the old boy they probably would be old boy.

00;33;19;04 - 00;33;20;07 Speaker 3 All the grass quite.

00;33;20;10 - 00;33;29;17 Speaker 5 Well. It probably would be that long ago. I don’t know how long ago that would be.

00;33;29;19 - 00;33;32;04 Speaker 3 But I’m sure they would have been.

00;33;32;04 - 00;33;37;28 Unknown After 1980. Maybe a.

00;33;37;28 - 00;33;40;28 Speaker 5 Month. Governor Baldwin And.

00;33;41;00 - 00;33;47;04 Speaker 3 He I don’t that’s a thing that I know history.

00;33;47;06 - 00;33;49;05 Speaker 1 In your own party.

00;33;49;07 - 00;33;55;10 Speaker 5 Go in the ballroom. But they don’t have to point to their parents because they’ve been in the family only until.

00;33;55;12 - 00;33;59;15 Speaker 2 Apparently you said that they had quite a few pictures.

00;33;59;18 - 00;34;07;16 Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean, that may have been. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. This one and they brought it back to me here.

00;34;07;20 - 00;34;11;02 Speaker 3 Would any of them predate that picture?

00;34;11;05 - 00;34;16;28 Speaker 5 No, I think that they would have been taken out on the same trip. Seem to.

00;34;17;00 - 00;34;25;14 Speaker 1 You know, one of the old cabinet here, I think. And there were a little park ranger about them.

00;34;25;21 - 00;34;39;25 Speaker 5 I know those were not taken by photography. No, no. That was the camera. It was an open drive.

00;34;39;27 - 00;34;57;02 Speaker 3 Did Walter Easton had did he have a family? No. You know. then the other question was what was done with, with Easter, you know, during the time after he was shot, at the time that the sheriff came.

00;34;57;04 - 00;34;58;18 Speaker 1 On.

00;34;58;20 - 00;35;00;15 Speaker 5 The leg there on the ground.

00;35;00;18 - 00;35;01;21 Speaker 1 Yeah.

00;35;01;24 - 00;35;04;05 Speaker 3 You didn’t put a game bag over your.

00;35;04;07 - 00;35;21;25 Speaker 1 Mother, I think, Or, when they finally got in to get him, either at the. You were going to be there, though, and I guess made him look a little worse than me while I was cold. You know, they’re down in Mayo all that.

00;35;21;25 - 00;35;24;17 Unknown How long you remember, man?

00;35;24;17 - 00;35;28;15 Speaker 3 How long you might have waited there?

00;35;28;17 - 00;35;32;22 Speaker 1 Well, they I know that they would drive in the big great. No, no. They’d have you talked to down.

00;35;32;22 - 00;35;34;11 Speaker 2 Creek.

00;35;34;14 - 00;35;37;19 Speaker 1 To three, three, four days. Yeah. yeah.

00;35;37;21 - 00;35;43;05 Speaker 5 Well they found they get in from Cascade.

00;35;43;07 - 00;35;54;19 Unknown Come down where.

00;35;54;24 - 00;36;29;22 Speaker 5 We know where they were in that meeting and we were ready. The year to go, something like that. And so they were inside and he was not a very well-liked man near River right in there. The man he lived at, they removed great and he they said he with me. He had a very nice pair. Yeah. And he always said that he wanted to be buried by going there.

00;36;29;25 - 00;36;45;05 Speaker 5 Yeah. There. So he did. He died in the summer. Right in the middle of summer. Very recently. Diapers, because he had a heart attack from packing in and out, and he died. And they didn’t find me for a new.

00;36;45;08 - 00;36;45;25 Speaker 3 Buried right.

00;36;45;25 - 00;36;56;04 Speaker 1 On feet. They left the game. Barton and out in there were never been arrested burned down any good.

00;36;56;07 - 00;37;00;11 Speaker 3 It frustrated.

00;37;00;14 - 00;37;15;13 Speaker 5 You know like I just don’t understand why they came here and of course be with them have to fight a temper and you taking that game and then bring him back in there you.

00;37;15;15 - 00;37;18;26 Speaker 1 Know not as a threat or.

00;37;18;28 - 00;37;27;03 Speaker 3 That’s why they would pose a problem because even with daughter, which, you know, they wouldn’t have a farm for that, they.

00;37;27;05 - 00;37;27;26 Speaker 5 Would.

00;37;27;29 - 00;37;28;07 Speaker 2 You know.

00;37;28;14 - 00;37;29;07 Speaker 1 That wouldn’t be in the.

00;37;29;07 - 00;37;30;26 Speaker 2 Book. You have a family.

00;37;30;27 - 00;37;38;12 Speaker 1 That they paid out I understand here and had car driven by. But then you went up work. I mean.

00;37;38;15 - 00;37;43;22 Speaker 5 Everything. I always.

00;37;43;25 - 00;37;57;10 Speaker 1 Thinking that we first come in here, we had to be able to handle it there And the old supervisor and all all and frankly, a lot of the original personnel, you know.

00;37;57;17 - 00;38;00;13 Speaker 3 Now with with that death or the death or command.

00;38;00;13 - 00;38;11;08 Speaker 1 Or whatever that was before that he retired, then that poor died and now you’ve got the farm or then how are your.

00;38;11;10 - 00;38;13;16 Speaker 3 I mean, there was more than.

00;38;13;20 - 00;38;26;26 Speaker 1 That. We’ve written right under a dam. A dam. And we went through a lot of rain come and go and but not these days with it in here. Now I think you must endure a tender. I don’t.

00;38;26;29 - 00;38;29;28 Speaker 3 Know. You know.

00;38;30;00 - 00;38;36;00 Speaker 1 We had a up and down brought along we by that thing for a while. They got kind of ornery. We couldn’t get along with him.

00;38;36;05 - 00;38;37;11 Speaker 5 You probably did too.

00;38;37;14 - 00;39;03;10 Speaker 1 Well, I’m not weary anyhow, and went through the three mile one higher. We had been doing business, I mean, here about a year ago. Well, then two years ago I had become long. And, you know, William probably Moody, he said, yes, why don’t you and I buried I had I know I’m a with me. I got in grade.

00;39;03;12 - 00;39;10;04 Speaker 1 I really don’t go over in on that. We think they’re stepping on.

00;39;10;06 - 00;39;16;04 Speaker 3 What what sort of a fella was never he was alright.

00;39;16;07 - 00;39;20;21 Speaker 1 But he was a sick man. But I don’t think anybody realized what.

00;39;20;21 - 00;39;24;08 Speaker 3 Was cancer of the brain. Yeah, yeah.

00;39;24;11 - 00;39;26;05 Speaker 5 Yeah. No, I.

00;39;26;07 - 00;39;47;23 Speaker 1 You come down here to straighten out a deal. We’d had a problem here with a fella name ago. He’s running all over the country and gambling on that would embark upon anywhere he played. And then he’d come along your camp and get move in and we finally got tired of it. And. And so Don brought that bear, and we talked the matter all over.

00;39;47;25 - 00;39;54;23 Speaker 1 We had figured Gabby had it down on your barn. When you leave it right there, get the dirty and grown up with cans and that the area.

00;39;54;26 - 00;39;56;06 Speaker 2 Terrible.

00;39;56;08 - 00;40;22;08 Speaker 1 And he moved into my right point camp up there after we pulled up and burned on our wood and that and read it out himself. By the time it took out the Malcolm and and Matthew Dirty Man and he pulled into a shipyard mine where you’re on it burned pretty good way off that way and told the barn what high in there broke and all over and and I told us about it and I said listen if you want that camp cleaned up, you’ve gone up there and cleaned up.

00;40;22;08 - 00;40;22;18 Speaker 1 I’m not.

00;40;22;18 - 00;40;24;03 Speaker 3 Going to take you out.

00;40;24;04 - 00;40;46;04 Speaker 1 Of the thing. Get get a little cleaning for me. And he didn’t buy anything. He didn’t have anybody coming. But we’ve always been very careful to maintain a nice camp, have a bit buried, dig them out once in a while. Well, that’s nothing you can that’s all part of it. But you ground them up, bro. Make no.

00;40;46;06 - 00;40;47;25 Speaker 5 Mistake, Arthur was a very nice.

00;40;47;25 - 00;41;12;02 Speaker 1 Person. Yeah, he was. And we liked him. We never. We never did this, we thought. But, you know, I’m sure of that. But he didn’t act right when he was here that last time, you know, just to you can make a straight statement or something. But we didn’t realize what the problem was and he gone very long at that time.

00;41;12;05 - 00;41;48;19 Speaker 3 I know. I know his boy. And he’s he’s younger and I guess he’s 31 now. But he said and some other people I’ve talked to, the reason I ask the question, but only Bill I’ve talked to spoke very highly of his father. Yeah yeah. But his out Why mention that that when Mr. Drexler you know very last why he just you know for a man that was so quick of mind you know and I guess in pretty good physical shape to you know but I know I know he was, you know, really had a sharp mind.

00;41;48;19 - 00;41;59;21 Speaker 3 And then the scene where he just, you know, everything good went in there. Last one, he didn’t recognize anybody in the family. Well, it was very painful on.

00;41;59;23 - 00;42;04;19 Speaker 1 Her enduring right when he was here. But we didn’t realize, you know what, the commitment probably you didn’t need it.

00;42;04;19 - 00;42;05;27 Speaker 3 No, I don’t think.

00;42;06;00 - 00;42;13;07 Speaker 1 You done the down the day get too late that no.

00;42;13;09 - 00;42;19;07 Unknown What was that question you were asking about was part of or. yeah.

00;42;19;10 - 00;42;25;14 Speaker 2 Yeah. But we talked my family, you know.

00;42;25;17 - 00;42;34;22 Speaker 3 You mentioned that you had the minutes for the original agreement. A very classification meeting or something. I wonder.

00;42;34;22 - 00;42;46;04 Speaker 1 I mean, it’s grown up, but it’s the delegation that came in here. They territorial all over and they’re recommended and it was quite over.

00;42;46;06 - 00;42;53;19 Speaker 3 I wonder if it might be possible for us to bar that and Xerox it, you know, and we weren’t worried.

00;42;53;21 - 00;42;54;12 Speaker 1 If we ever.

00;42;54;15 - 00;42;55;08 Speaker 5 Come to.

00;42;55;11 - 00;42;58;05 Speaker 3 Yeah, that’s what I know. But and the other side, there are some of.

00;42;58;05 - 00;43;01;18 Speaker 1 This we’ve got a downturn in Europe. Have you Haven’t had it.

00;43;01;18 - 00;43;40;08 Speaker 3 Yeah but there’s some of this material that I think will help us in preparing, you know, proposal and direction for the tell you the ranch because I really I think anything that we borrow or we utilize should go back to until such time that you’re that there’s a written agreement. Yeah see that that you all are sure you know it’ll be a binding agreement that what happened you know from then on because I if I were in your position, I wouldn’t turn anything over unless I was, I knew and it was a by now.

00;43;40;10 - 00;43;40;15 Speaker 1 We’ve.

00;43;40;17 - 00;43;41;01 Speaker 5 Got.

00;43;41;04 - 00;43;42;01 Speaker 1 You know.

00;43;42;03 - 00;43;42;12 Speaker 3 Yeah.

00;43;42;17 - 00;43;47;08 Speaker 1 Some agreement. Yeah. Yeah. It had taken care of.

00;43;47;10 - 00;44;25;09 Speaker 5 And we had a very, an old early day mining engineer, he was 80 or 87 years old coming in from San Diego. You I think he stepped in. Right. And yeah. You were in there before this year and after the character early day going around San Francisco and I suppose from even from the early Spanish ground and there weren’t, you know, and I got the papers out and he looked at to me, the things are right.

00;44;25;11 - 00;44;26;12 Speaker 5 Take care.

00;44;26;14 - 00;44;46;29 Speaker 3 Yeah, I know. With Wolfram Buyers and some of the other people over on the way, you know, I looked Xerox all of the for service material but there’s a lot of their personal material, you know, and a lot of these people, it’s taken quite a while to gain your confidence, you know, so that they realize that you weren’t really going to use them, you know, or something.

00;44;47;00 - 00;44;57;24 Speaker 3 And and but but I, I value very much, you know, what their concern. And that’s why I think I at least I can understand.

00;44;57;27 - 00;45;26;01 Speaker 1 Well we we the fortunate that we had scattered in between here and might be the doctor love him he was very much impressed with not only the when he brought up the idea of making me Ricardo and but I’m sure that that we’re kind of getting on this situation I make quite better regarding, you know, buy it time to make, you know, think things over a bit.

00;45;26;04 - 00;45;49;15 Speaker 5 And they’re here over the year. Usually in one time I ran into a few more men and the one that we have, that is where the map of the of the game of the year Xi beat her campaign.

00;45;49;18 - 00;46;16;23 Speaker 1 They made three correct in terribly wrong qualifying and got Barnegat and then they had Minion go with them and they they found the camp. we got on that but great network got it name and they never then they all out running in the golden parachute there so they this is Lieutenant Barrow then finally rounded them up and they that the only in in or no bank down bunker.

00;46;16;25 - 00;46;43;08 Speaker 1 Well what point or that like that they didn’t know anything what score. Well dog one of them when they had they shoot out of here got smoked up they couldn’t see the Indian they didn’t see them and Indian pulled out one smoke with one lieutenant and his arms around the tree and they the funny part was he was on the side of the three next Indian and the if the matter record even if you got Martin McCarty that matter of record.

00;46;43;10 - 00;46;45;24 Speaker 2 Yeah.

00;46;45;26 - 00;46;51;22 Speaker 1 As the type of Indian like you. Yeah. You don’t.

00;46;51;24 - 00;46;53;14 Speaker 2 See it.

00;46;53;17 - 00;47;19;21 Speaker 5 You you I think you didn’t do it. You mean that there would be. Yeah. And Bernard from both and you know with 125 man and came into this type of country with men on foot and a factory looking for anything, you know, I think even I did more than that.

00;47;19;23 - 00;47;39;08 Speaker 1 Well, if you went off and told your barn back. But you know, you you don’t know where going to be. Not no. He had a pretty rough go another outfit when they were bought you Mandela out this other way and they had they had to carry everything to the stadium.

00;47;39;11 - 00;47;42;23 Speaker 2 And I always feel threatened by it in the same way.

00;47;42;26 - 00;47;43;12 Speaker 1 You know you know.

00;47;43;17 - 00;47;45;10 Speaker 5 I think over there and.

00;47;45;12 - 00;47;56;15 Speaker 3 Vietnamese, you’re getting you’re fighting with people to live off the land. You know, the bad like what they were doing and we were there that they had this tremendous life support system with it. You know.

00;47;56;18 - 00;48;00;29 Speaker 5 And these Indians were all at home here. You know.

00;48;01;02 - 00;48;22;07 Speaker 1 Certainly they were not on anybody. They they burned they laid it on the Indians over here, what they call the Johnson Ranch over here on Yellow Pine. They moved them right there and killed a couple of Johnsons or somebody over there and and burned the head. That and that’s what gives the army account. They go made to David, but regretful anyhow.

00;48;22;07 - 00;48;34;18 Speaker 1 You know, they had nothing to justify their existence, sort of like the Corps. Yeah. Yeah. But then that is, you know, the Indians never done that.

00;48;34;19 - 00;48;35;21 Speaker 5 You know.

00;48;35;23 - 00;48;42;06 Speaker 1 They and then they, they worked in the mines, they done whatever they could get to do and they never bothered anybody that had run against them, you know.

00;48;42;06 - 00;48;44;14 Speaker 5 Yeah. Well that renegade Harry the.

00;48;44;15 - 00;49;00;12 Speaker 1 Done it and then the Indian got in my book and that boy that you know when they were back so I had tried but you know they had only one letter and that would be my thing and wrote down around some girl.

00;49;00;15 - 00;49;22;12 Speaker 5 No. Yeah. In the early days and my family by the name out and lived on and doing war ranch and they had they had several children and then as they grew I of course they went.

00;49;22;12 - 00;49;29;09 Unknown Outside and you know, one of the girl is a little quick that right.

00;49;29;12 - 00;49;42;04 Speaker 5 Yeah. It round in paper they were out their side grade right. That line along. You remember her name. Well things like that. It was a character.

00;49;42;11 - 00;49;48;08 Unknown Band gathering around and we stayed in.

00;49;48;08 - 00;49;52;27 Speaker 2 For service as a party with no.

00;49;52;29 - 00;49;59;17 Speaker 5 The other. That’s how they got to live. That was during the Hue fever and, you know.

00;49;59;20 - 00;50;04;11 Speaker 3 The soldiers coming in the country. And we knew we.

00;50;04;13 - 00;50;05;28 Speaker 5 Were in Virginia Garrison and.

00;50;05;28 - 00;50;15;23 Unknown All that care when they were over.

00;50;15;23 - 00;50;18;00 Speaker 5 There. And she found it. And there.

00;50;18;03 - 00;50;22;13 Speaker 3 Was that one of the early days and for service book Yeah about the eight.

00;50;22;20 - 00;50;39;03 Speaker 5 No, no it’s just too bad that one was just. okay. But it would be interesting to you because of their history in the country that this girl writes about throughout the girl.

00;50;39;06 - 00;50;40;12 Speaker 3 You have a popular.

00;50;40;15 - 00;50;44;14 Speaker 5 I think that you’re in Boise that you know you learn your books.

00;50;44;15 - 00;50;52;01 Speaker 3 And there Yeah yeah. That’s why I said if we took anything, we Xerox it and return the original. But there.

00;50;52;07 - 00;50;53;25 Speaker 5 Other I know there are people that.

00;50;53;26 - 00;50;55;29 Speaker 1 Live here, but it would be of interest.

00;50;56;01 - 00;51;07;03 Speaker 5 He had that it was printed by I think actually produced in Boise or in Caldwell and I think you can write about going there now.

00;51;07;04 - 00;51;11;25 Speaker 3 You know we can check the.

00;51;11;28 - 00;51;17;19 Speaker 5 We have the carry book. But I know what I think is very boring. But you can go gardening.

00;51;17;27 - 00;51;40;19 Speaker 2 You know I was almost five and one of the things that we probably want to do is to love and care about and, you know, a few things, we can probably help you identify gaps and maybe there are things there that you can help us. We get you specific questions and maybe that you may recall something about, something that we know that’s not very clear.

00;51;40;22 - 00;51;46;16 Speaker 2 I mean, this is a it’s a kind of a catalytic thing for us. It gets us thinking.

00;51;46;19 - 00;51;50;25 Unknown If we don’t do something, we go and we can start asking.

00;51;50;25 - 00;52;16;16 Speaker 3 Questions. You know that. And it may help us develop the proposal to bring in archeology, anthropology, you know, to do some historical research right here, because that something like that is a perfect master’s program. So for somebody either in history or in historical archeology and it just fits and it would be an opportunity to work partially out of here and use it.

00;52;16;17 - 00;52;42;27 Speaker 3 Use this as as a base for historical research. You mentioned Henry Howard in the part of Harry. Harry. I’ve got Harry here. I can read it from the floor. Harry Showers and the party break or played in the primitive very classification. Is this documented or you knew this or what?

00;52;42;29 - 00;52;47;18 Speaker 1 Well, no, they’re all in that picture. We’ve gotten to.

00;52;47;20 - 00;52;49;22 Speaker 5 Know is you saw in mirror.

00;52;49;24 - 00;52;51;22 Speaker 1 And a lot of them the minute you.

00;52;51;22 - 00;52;52;29 Speaker 3 Think about the letter that would.

00;52;53;03 - 00;52;54;25 Speaker 5 Clarify everything in.

00;52;54;25 - 00;53;05;26 Speaker 1 There. Yeah and their recommendation and the boundary recommendations and I believe were there the the whole thing is they, they think that.

00;53;05;26 - 00;53;15;07 Speaker 3 Now in the minutes or are his comments relative to date homestead application are they and that also or.

00;53;15;07 - 00;53;20;17 Speaker 1 No no they’re they’re not a correspondent. Okay we have.

00;53;20;20 - 00;53;22;14 Speaker 3 That was in Denmark.

00;53;22;16 - 00;53;26;10 Speaker 1 Yeah they’re all in this band room upstairs They’re.

00;53;26;16 - 00;53;27;27 Speaker 5 Only they have they.

00;53;27;29 - 00;53;29;25 Speaker 1 Have. Well I thought maybe you them because the.

00;53;29;27 - 00;53;30;15 Speaker 5 Language.

00;53;30;18 - 00;53;31;05 Speaker 2 They have.

00;53;31;08 - 00;53;32;12 Speaker 1 In my practice.

00;53;32;18 - 00;53;40;27 Speaker 2 Yeah. I spent most of my time looking at the rafters.

00;53;44;03 - 00;53;52;20 Speaker 1 Yeah. We’ve got various correspondence around to certain things that the know.

00;53;54;00 - 00;54;04;23 Speaker 5 yeah, the and girl have their. let me do.

00;54;04;25 - 00;54;08;12 Speaker 3 Well, I just want to make sure that I remember her name.

00;54;08;15 - 00;54;24;13 Speaker 5 She had. I took care of her little brother, I think this is and somebody and they came down the creek. Yeah. And baby get hungry. So she got out and the mayor then they gets married.

00;54;24;16 - 00;54;27;23 Speaker 2 Okay, Well, all right. I guess. I guess I heard.

00;54;27;26 - 00;54;34;02 Speaker 1 Know and I think. Yeah, you know, and I’m a married male to that.

00;54;34;02 - 00;54;34;23 Speaker 2 And some of those.

00;54;34;29 - 00;54;38;21 Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, would be all right.

00;54;38;23 - 00;54;39;19 Speaker 1 Part of it.

00;54;39;21 - 00;54;41;08 Speaker 5 And he was just a little girl.

00;54;41;08 - 00;54;44;11 Speaker 3 He might really build.

00;54;44;14 - 00;54;50;14 Speaker 2 That for a minute and get had hired a kid on it and there’s no going to guess. They’re going to think that.

00;54;50;16 - 00;55;18;11 Speaker 1 There’s more out there that, that call. Yeah. I mean he’s, he’s invited out on the outside but he was banker and another one that was plastered for me he donated the metal way up and all I’m glad to do the job that I’ll give you that do that back there and anyhow he, he they were all making a flight to Mexico.

00;55;18;11 - 00;56;03;28 Speaker 1 You probably heard about the experiment. They have a whole group of them get together, go down to Mexico for a weekend or so, you know, and well, a caller, one fan and he got a little behind them. But anywhere you go on. But they’re starting to get dark. So he just sat down. But if Mexican happens here, I get through the room, they’re all around me instead of down on my side or maybe a small group there and anyhow, I had to stay the night and they come in here and in bed, you know, they even dug up Lindsay Park and they denied me that, you know, the next we had milk at drink and

00;56;03;28 - 00;56;19;11 Speaker 1 it was kind of neat that, you know, I got to make an effort to borrow diet in that happened to borrow me I bet Well that account for your Pontiac and later.

00;56;19;14 - 00;56;24;21 Speaker 5 You were out of work. But this man’s name of the Great because you’re out.

00;56;24;23 - 00;56;35;04 Speaker 1 Here, out and right.

00;56;35;06 - 00;56;42;25 Speaker 2 But yeah, I like it sometimes. I don’t have that kind of, you know.

00;56;42;27 - 00;56;48;12 Speaker 3 Yeah. Now, this beer. You found that Where? The fishing?

00;56;48;15 - 00;56;55;14 Speaker 1 Right around this big point here. That big old Denver deal died up on that.

00;56;55;17 - 00;57;03;01 Speaker 3 Have you seen one like that anyplace? You know, not in any of the museums. You know.

00;57;03;04 - 00;57;04;25 Speaker 5 Probably fell off and Buddy or.

00;57;04;28 - 00;57;14;07 Speaker 1 Somebody had died on Saturday, you know, or riding around or something. And, you know, you you find things in it.

00;57;14;09 - 00;57;27;23 Speaker 3 But I didn’t, you know, that the whole I wonder if that was put on loose and a guy had the, had something tied, you know, through that so the, the shaft would come off and you know, it was hell yeah.

00;57;27;25 - 00;57;28;15 Speaker 1 In town.

00;57;28;15 - 00;57;31;15 Speaker 2 I got a gig that.

00;57;31;18 - 00;57;40;07 Speaker 1 We use knocked down and they were to come in here and often that in but it’s, it’s a barbed point right on a rock.

00;57;40;09 - 00;57;43;07 Speaker 3 Yeah. We had some of those we used to from big and.

00;57;43;08 - 00;58;00;12 Speaker 1 A big bar blocked out. But yeah you drive through town and probably the only other bad title online you got might have been to the back of your boat And we were down here and you know this creek don’t look like it used to be did about have those did.

00;58;00;12 - 00;58;01;07 Speaker 3 Now.

00;58;01;10 - 00;58;22;10 Speaker 1 They did this whole ramps at work and everything gone that we knew were there and you know the about thick beams fell off the end of that great granite down here that you’ve been crowded there and used to be red big Burke out there. It’s all gone now. Pretty high water down there And the down here. Right hand the little little island right in the great big drift out there.

00;58;22;15 - 00;58;42;01 Speaker 1 And I could wait out, do it, and I’d make hold all through the drip, you know, and I’d go over there, over that bear. You didn’t know you could catch them and didn’t have any how you get one of them. And so I crawled out there with his bear and where I’d had these old, you know, I did work like wild one the other and it do not the legal examined either one of them.

00;58;42;01 - 00;59;58;09 Speaker 1 The Greek folk didn’t like it here now and I he’s that there down to about a foot on it and you went and Ed you drive there through that dam and then then it.

Jess Taylor and Dorothy Taylor Interview #6 Part 2, 11/06/1974 [transcript]

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;13;01 Speaker 1 They look like that.

00;00;13;03 - 00;00;35;21 Unknown Yeah, right. No, but that kind.

00;00;35;23 - 00;00;42;20 Speaker 1 Of thing.

00;00;42;23 - 00;00;43;13 Unknown You know, he was.

00;00;43;13 - 00;01;05;19 Speaker 3 Probably born here and all that, but he that stuff from Saudi Arabia just ends up.

00;01;05;21 - 00;01;08;20 Speaker 1 He got married?

00;01;08;22 - 00;01;16;16 Speaker 3 Yeah, they’ll be right there in the yard at night after, you know.

00;01;16;18 - 00;01;19;08 Unknown I guess. Yeah.

00;01;19;11 - 00;01;48;19 Speaker 3 We never when we had a dog, we never loved him. He wouldn’t change anything and he wouldn’t believe in anything. He wouldn’t bother their achievement for cheap and that’s how I come to get that big ram and that picture he told me about with that he might keep coming and a half mile there’s going right in the yard.

00;01;50;04 - 00;01;54;09 Speaker 1 now you said that was Fred Coleman that came in with his.

00;01;54;12 - 00;01;57;19 Speaker 3 Yeah.

00;01;57;21 - 00;01;58;13 Speaker 1 And he was.

00;01;58;13 - 00;02;01;12 Speaker 3 A past president and then. Yeah.

00;02;01;15 - 00;02;04;23 Speaker 1 And then you say he is now.

00;02;04;26 - 00;02;09;24 Speaker 3 Gone right down that career and you had them both in. Yeah. Hunting here.

00;02;10;01 - 00;02;14;26 Unknown Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00;02;14;29 - 00;02;32;21 Speaker 3 Yeah. I got to be pretty nice on that. Yeah. And if I have to call on that, you know, all over the United States, even that one out of Germany, you.

00;02;32;24 - 00;02;47;18 Speaker 1 No, this recording is made, November 21st and we’re heading up early in the morning with Jess to get the deer that he shot yesterday afternoon.

00;02;47;20 - 00;03;15;22 Speaker 3 I brought him up the night, and you’ve got nothing as yet Blowing 45 on me right at all. I didn’t know that he’d moved from where I thought they might not be here. And then I’d go on Doppler radar. You get these horns, and it’s not that much of a sticking up on the outside, and I could kill him.

00;03;15;24 - 00;03;35;11 Speaker 3 So I just backed off and gone in place. And I’m back down next morning. Right? He goes down. I seen him around there and I could get him. He could have the cave.

00;03;36;19 - 00;04;07;02 Speaker 3 The raccoon got away. We want to be here. Okay. hey, Greg. It all got paid, right? You know that. You hear and everything, and I know you don’t. The guy that really wanted to come across the polar bear in turn, going up that hillside. No bird to stand over that. Now open up. I’m Kelly. And, he said, yeah, when he got back down, you know, he told Guy that no, I killed.

00;04;07;03 - 00;04;09;22 Speaker 3 Yes, but.

00;04;09;24 - 00;04;11;24 Speaker 1 But what now? And he pointed out.

00;04;12;01 - 00;04;27;28 Speaker 3 That he wasn’t a big he wasn’t even a top, but he’d get nicely. Yeah, but you know, escape it went on anything. Yeah. And all I was interested in with the knock out meat out in my trailer went down on him is this.

00;04;28;00 - 00;04;54;22 Speaker 1 These bottom is pretty snaky in the summer. Not at all.

00;04;54;25 - 00;04;56;21 Speaker 4 Good. And the biggest you.

00;04;56;21 - 00;05;05;17 Speaker 3 Got was already went down. Yeah. Like I said, not had no AC. A lot of people there.

00;05;05;19 - 00;05;12;26 Unknown They all get it out the way.

00;05;12;28 - 00;05;17;29 Speaker 3 The meat Captain. yeah. Well yeah.

00;05;18;02 - 00;05;29;12 Unknown Sit on the grill all around.

00;05;29;14 - 00;05;39;20 Speaker 3 What we don’t even get for. Mainly it’s too small for a cabin. Well, I made that family and I didn’t work out there That came out of here.

00;05;39;23 - 00;05;41;18 Speaker 1 Yeah. This is all accurate.

00;05;41;20 - 00;05;42;29 Speaker 4 Yeah.

00;05;43;01 - 00;05;55;29 Speaker 3 No crosscut? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I hold the record. For what? Acting the down tell you about the big.

00;05;56;01 - 00;05;57;25 Speaker 1 Well, now that big.

00;05;57;28 - 00;06;21;06 Speaker 3 Big creek. Well you were telling me about the I remember seeing the big dog bird there but I don’t remember what the. Well I, I put one down for the act up there. There’s five feet in in diameter, not circumference. Diameter. And I think that the record. How long did it take it. I don’t. I work out of the ground or something.

00;06;21;08 - 00;06;30;04 Speaker 3 Yeah, but they, they can’t get long. The trail, you know. Are you going to do that. Have you been up.

00;06;30;04 - 00;06;30;17 Speaker 1 Yeah.

00;06;30;18 - 00;06;45;27 Speaker 3 Then you know where you going to do that and then catch that person in fact at the airstrip and get a little less weight in there. And right down the bottom, you see that big old company Like we walked down, I noticed some of the big dump. Well, some of them back my little help on. They come back.

00;06;46;00 - 00;06;56;22 Speaker 3 That’s when I opened the first opened it up. Yeah. There upstream take off at that ramp at 500 feet and see the hole up there in there.

00;06;56;25 - 00;07;03;10 Speaker 1 Yes. And dirty. They had wheelbarrow shovel, dynamite.

00;07;03;13 - 00;07;04;18 Speaker 3 Maybe Rock bar now, man.

00;07;04;21 - 00;07;07;23 Speaker 1 I just found the windows in here too and.

00;07;07;27 - 00;07;08;25 Speaker 3 Start to have to win.

00;07;08;26 - 00;07;57;04 Speaker 1 It. Yeah. Yeah.

00;07;57;07 - 00;09;15;12 Speaker 3 At the mat from the basement up there. They come down as far to get dragging right away. Dragging down the here.

00;09;15;14 - 00;09;25;16 Speaker 1 But yes. Had you been doing much in the way you packing and go on before you came in this country here they get you had.

00;09;25;22 - 00;09;27;01 Speaker 4 Yeah. I think back to your.

00;09;27;01 - 00;09;36;09 Speaker 3 Problem date back to that time first time in 1924. I’ve been quite a fella. Go Yeah. That was when you had the Randall and the Samurai.

00;09;36;12 - 00;10;44;14 Unknown Yeah, Yeah. When in cold. Never. Hey, I got it. Look at that. Yeah.

00;10;44;16 - 00;11;04;07 Speaker 3 Chicago. Yeah. Backpacking outfit aren’t cheap. You don’t know what you really get. And he landed him with that and everything. He had one of those old time or not, you know, that that was going on.

00;11;04;08 - 00;11;08;03 Speaker 1 That And

00;11;08;05 - 00;11;46;11 Speaker 3 He had a couple of back Bullock When I had reading What you’re looking at never was my husband getting just gonna be out all over the country, We were on somebody the other day that he had either them or a friend of their the doctor knew. It’s funny how they come back there and he.

00;11;46;14 - 00;11;47;16 Speaker 4 He he might be 80.

00;11;47;16 - 00;11;56;29 Speaker 3 Years old right up to it. And then he knew that they knew them all.

00;11;57;23 - 00;11;59;12 Speaker 1 yeah. And he.

00;11;59;14 - 00;12;32;29 Speaker 3 Go down on.

00;12;33;02 - 00;12;37;02 Speaker 1 Yes. Did Pullman have a wall can set up down here just.

00;12;37;05 - 00;12;46;08 Speaker 3 Yeah I think they had probably a couple of umbrellas you know, or something like that.

00;12;46;10 - 00;12;48;28 Speaker 1 On this, this line down here for the the.

00;12;48;28 - 00;13;14;21 Speaker 3 North pasture. How long did it take you to put that in? I don’t know. I talked with a pretty small batch and then work on Bring it on. It washed up on me around there on that point where that road goes around, you know. And so I dug a curve back into it, you know, and put a road out in front of it that stopped that and did now and then.

00;13;14;23 - 00;13;43;26 Speaker 3 Were there quite a bit of powder you going to know, is that right? no. I could dig it all. Yeah. You know, Dr. Duke was one of the most pleasant I ever had to. Well, what about the, We got out of morning and it get to additional work camp up in the basement. I don’t know why you’ve been up all night.

00;13;43;28 - 00;13;55;21 Speaker 3 Well, we’ve got on the hill at the end of the right part of Pioneer Creek, and. And we’d start out and start working up cheaper. And every time it comes along.

00;13;55;21 - 00;14;04;06 Speaker 4 Write it down. You know it. you’ve got to get your feet to your hunter.

00;14;04;09 - 00;14;07;27 Speaker 3 A lot of these fellows, you know, I think it’s Mark Callahan or. Well, it is.

00;14;07;29 - 00;14;09;01 Speaker 4 Whatever his place is.

00;14;09;01 - 00;14;29;19 Speaker 3 That’s what you’ve got to go. And I’d get out of, like, a glass, you know, and. And me looking around, and then you get up on the, on a hill and got up on top up there and I’d go down, I’d leave him and go down on ten rocky points where I could see you know, a big area country on grass.

00;14;29;19 - 00;14;42;07 Speaker 3 And I come back and he said, yes, I wouldn’t I don’t I don’t like you to do that. He said that if anything had happened to you, you’d fall off one of them or anything.

00;14;42;10 - 00;14;43;07 Speaker 4 How would I ever get.

00;14;43;07 - 00;14;46;15 Speaker 3 Out of here?

00;14;48;12 - 00;14;49;17 Speaker 3 Man. About that time.

00;14;49;17 - 00;14;51;24 Speaker 4 With the 12 feet. Well, it eight or.

00;14;51;24 - 00;14;58;14 Speaker 3 Nine and he’d say, Well, yes, I think we better start circling back. Okay. That he.

00;14;58;14 - 00;14;59;16 Speaker 1 Can act.

00;14;59;19 - 00;15;03;19 Speaker 3 No shit. I didn’t have a chance. You know.

00;15;03;21 - 00;15;04;20 Speaker 1 But he had a hell of a good.

00;15;04;20 - 00;15;06;10 Speaker 3 Time. Well, that’s all I can say. Yeah.

00;15;06;17 - 00;15;09;08 Speaker 4 Yeah. Deep down, Judy, studio cheap all over the place.

00;15;09;11 - 00;15;16;19 Speaker 3 Didn’t. Yeah. Dollars and pound and they guard the atom All.

00;15;16;21 - 00;15;17;18 Speaker 4 The money that ever.

00;15;17;18 - 00;15;52;24 Speaker 3 Ever hour long late in the summer they shoot the hit man and I’ve got to get out. But so we did get a black bear. We were at it again We came down, get marked by the something. I don’t get them down and they got back up there. Why this bear yet moved in But he hadn’t got the job being a joint, taken his back up on horseback and a little more plywood all the way down on it, beaten by people going up.

00;15;52;25 - 00;16;31;11 Speaker 3 And I remember looking up to the on the ground and plop. I didn’t have a darn thing to put them hit on the black bear back here, come back, finish the job. And I punched him and he says, Man, man, he had three round Bradley gun. Not that Bradley the low back a hold of yet that that three times we got there then what happened then the bear the heat that now I got the man in there I do it I don’t go back there at home like the bear broke up.

00;16;33;01 - 00;17;07;07 Speaker 3 he’s got a gun in there and then he said, I got a I got nephew and I’m here like I, there I and he got me all, in fact, in the back when we started doing all of all of that early on, we to notify when he got it done. So that’s what happened to the bear going off and moving him down the mountain.

00;17;07;07 - 00;17;07;29 Speaker 3 Why don’t you go all out.

00;17;07;29 - 00;17;19;02 Unknown On man point.

00;17;19;05 - 00;17;23;05 Speaker 1 Just where people just stop and can’t go and boom.

00;17;23;06 - 00;17;38;14 Speaker 3 Yeah. And we talk for one. And here.

00;17;38;16 - 00;17;39;28 Speaker 1 On that. that’s where he.

00;17;40;00 - 00;17;40;23 Speaker 3 He camped there.

00;17;40;23 - 00;17;41;26 Speaker 4 I said overnight.

00;17;42;02 - 00;17;42;21 Speaker 1 Though.

00;17;42;23 - 00;18;10;05 Speaker 3 Yeah. That’s when we met. That’s when they met. Accommodated out of the down below doing some work on flat plan and Northwest section. And I had about ready to go on way and I’d go the other one right now get ready to shoot. Just about that time I they showed up All right you got a beautiful big red tide.

00;18;10;08 - 00;18;16;06 Speaker 3 And then on up here and I get.

00;18;16;08 - 00;18;21;27 Speaker 4 Everything it was in.

00;18;22;00 - 00;18;25;15 Speaker 3 The.

00;18;25;17 - 00;18;30;23 Speaker 1 Red side. That’s yeah. Going.

00;18;31;00 - 00;18;33;13 Speaker 4 Yeah.

00;18;33;15 - 00;18;41;12 Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

00;18;41;15 - 00;18;43;25 Speaker 4 That night.

00;18;43;27 - 00;18;49;04 Speaker 3 Under the gale.

00;18;49;06 - 00;19;12;08 Speaker 1 Was the last time you were up on your there drop. So you bought. Yeah. There a little cool was like No that take the.

00;19;12;11 - 00;19;33;01 Speaker 3 One you here. We had an orchard sit out here at one time.

00;19;33;03 - 00;19;34;06 Speaker 4 And then we decided to.

00;19;34;14 - 00;19;41;23 Speaker 3 Get tear it up over here. We set it out in the first came in here and so we moved all over there back and a half.

00;19;41;26 - 00;19;45;25 Speaker 1 Now, is this one of the corners? no. I just.

00;19;45;27 - 00;20;07;20 Speaker 3 Yeah. It in the corner but I think it gets about on the line. I put it there and I think when, when they run it through I just, backed it up there. For all I know about where the line was not going clear through here appeared to they up on that coming up through those bars right up on the line kind of big logs.

00;20;07;20 - 00;20;56;15 Speaker 3 The only straight line on the place. Thank you. You’re like a lot different for you on line. You know, when they run through. Yeah, you think they’re going wrong, but they come out on the other end of the fourth supervisor up there around and and because he like had a contract with this whole family. Well maybe they don’t.

00;20;56;17 - 00;21;19;12 Speaker 3 Am I ever had a woman for a contract but they gave her the day on. You figured out how much labor grew in here and how much they got keeping in here. And I’m like, You got to get the great Bandit and and furnish the paint and the broker and everything and give her the hard work.

00;21;19;14 - 00;21;21;28 Speaker 1 Well, then the bridge party.

00;21;22;01 - 00;21;38;12 Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah. They got a they put that away on that pool. Now they’re gonna come over time, arrange some other car, get go this way. Now that on the upper or the largest this Laurie.

00;21;38;14 - 00;21;41;01 Speaker 1 And now you built this the lower one.

00;21;41;03 - 00;21;51;13 Speaker 4 Yeah. That’s where I got my coat on. Got put in a beautiful.

00;21;51;13 - 00;21;56;13 Speaker 3 Ground when I as long as I build it, maintain it and then after I could.

00;21;56;13 - 00;21;57;24 Speaker 4 Maintain it I’d maintain an average.

00;21;57;24 - 00;21;59;09 Speaker 3 Frame around here, whether.

00;21;59;12 - 00;22;00;05 Speaker 4 I got the.

00;22;00;05 - 00;22;32;00 Speaker 3 Contract, clean grade or not, I get cannot ever come in And then I go, not that I could maintain and I get my out around it. Yeah, get to the station and I get on a record. That’s one year I can fix that down there so I can walk around there every couple, 3 hours.

00;22;32;03 - 00;22;39;16 Speaker 1 Why did they fly all this? This deal in with your traveler? What, Traveling? Yeah.

00;22;39;19 - 00;22;44;04 Speaker 3 Man Down here, use the wagon in our town.

00;22;53;24 - 00;23;49;07 Speaker 3 It’s right there in. It was pretty heavy flood. You know what? They threw the whole thing, you know, going work on. Yeah. Yeah. You ever put any commercial fertilizer on out? You know, your little potatoes and corn down there? Yeah, no problem around that area. Where did you say pot? Get your. just right around that. Just right around.

00;23;49;08 - 00;23;56;15 Speaker 3 When they rolled out on that, they the look right back in the sun, not away the different points. Yeah.

00;23;56;18 - 00;24;15;17 Speaker 1 Yeah. Well it.

00;24;15;20 - 00;24;17;04 Speaker 3 Yeah. The good part.

00;24;17;06 - 00;24;53;17 Speaker 1 Yeah. they did. you know.

00;24;53;19 - 00;25;03;03 Unknown Where they were.

00;25;03;06 - 00;25;09;18 Speaker 5 You know it is Joe.

00;25;09;26 - 00;25;10;26 Speaker 1 is it.

00;25;10;29 - 00;25;19;10 Speaker 3 Well they’re not coming in the hole up there. I guess we better.

00;25;19;12 - 00;25;20;22 Speaker 5 Well wherever you are.

00;25;20;25 - 00;25;30;06 Speaker 1 But the look the round here. No.

00;25;30;09 - 00;26;04;20 Speaker 5 Well something about Big Creek and tree roots and that the the thing that you’re up here, they it’s the history of Big Creek or something. Right. Yeah. Well he hear a lot about this country and the people in in early days and and then of course I think you carry the.

00;26;04;22 - 00;26;05;24 Speaker 1 Groceries.

00;26;05;26 - 00;26;06;22 Speaker 5 You.

00;26;06;25 - 00;26;10;00 Speaker 1 Know I haven’t met, you know.

00;26;10;03 - 00;26;23;26 Speaker 5 I don’t care for the book and I care about the woman. But I didn’t care for Jerry. I didn’t think it here. I didn’t think you’re going to that.

00;26;23;28 - 00;26;52;15 Speaker 1 There was a fella, anthropologist that I name was Swanson over Bela that had done some research on the sheep feeders, you know, and it stuff pretty much indicated that, you know, they just happened to be the handy ones to blame some some deals on you.

00;26;52;18 - 00;26;58;19 Speaker 4 Were not involved? No, but we’re not there.

00;26;58;21 - 00;27;19;27 Speaker 1 Yet but things like that. You see, I think it was in the autumn and the wouldn’t have been the last if you live in the area before land. And there was an article about the Salmon River country here written by blood.

00;27;20;00 - 00;27;22;06 Speaker 5 Ted yes, I was there.

00;27;22;08 - 00;27;29;26 Speaker 1 I thought a real good article because he tied back, you know, into the days when, during the Depression.

00;27;29;28 - 00;27;32;02 Speaker 5 I didn’t read that one. I read another one. He wrote.

00;27;32;03 - 00;27;32;16 Speaker 1 It, and.

00;27;32;16 - 00;27;37;21 Speaker 5 Then I heard him on TV. I’m sorry.

00;27;37;24 - 00;28;00;14 Speaker 1 I don’t get why you quite find the person in the funguses and so on. And she came up to the University of Idaho and presented a seminar. at one time. And boy, you know, taking along and just, you know, it was very quiet.

00;28;00;16 - 00;28;10;07 Speaker 5 Well, that is that now you can see that from your point, if you were down clone that.

00;28;10;10 - 00;28;11;27 Speaker 1 1950.

00;28;12;00 - 00;28;15;28 Speaker 5 That was that.

00;28;16;00 - 00;28;17;25 Speaker 4 I like the.

00;28;17;28 - 00;29;07;25 Speaker 1 Little know like that string me have in the back why don’t I go I think that’s the background area where they can.

00;29;07;28 - 00;29;13;21 Speaker 4 And hunting thing.

00;29;13;23 - 00;29;20;23 Speaker 1 And would it be possible to do you have the transparencies would be to take from or the.

00;29;20;27 - 00;29;21;09 Speaker 3 No.

00;29;21;09 - 00;29;23;07 Speaker 5 No during our golden.

00;29;23;07 - 00;29;23;28 Speaker 4 Hour.

00;29;24;01 - 00;29;27;13 Speaker 5 Nobody can come.

00;29;27;15 - 00;29;31;00 Speaker 1 In the states you know so it was so I to.

00;29;31;02 - 00;29;48;07 Unknown Know it’s an older model no.

00;29;48;09 - 00;29;50;18 Speaker 1 One no.

00;29;50;21 - 00;29;51;00 Speaker 5 One.

00;29;51;00 - 00;29;56;06 Speaker 3 Would have actually one.

00;29;56;08 - 00;30;01;18 Unknown So I didn’t take any away.

00;30;01;21 - 00;30;08;02 Speaker 1 Well 93 here came down.

00;30;08;04 - 00;30;13;11 Speaker 4 We have 19 hunters out here and got nine RAM boy.

00;30;13;13 - 00;30;14;22 Speaker 3 Okay.

00;30;14;25 - 00;30;21;14 Speaker 5 You know, there we had that in the 1009.

00;30;21;16 - 00;30;26;22 Speaker 1 One, two, 396.

00;30;26;24 - 00;30;35;00 Speaker 4 And the group there knew that their nine inch ten inch Really there.

00;30;35;02 - 00;30;39;18 Speaker 1 Yeah. That’s nice out.

00;30;39;21 - 00;30;46;29 Speaker 5 There it was the bigger well and maybe it was down when you looked at those pictures.

00;30;47;01 - 00;30;47;21 Speaker 4 Yeah that’s where.

00;30;47;21 - 00;30;48;07 Speaker 1 Everyone.

00;30;48;10 - 00;30;53;28 Speaker 5 That you can, you know that’s my whole world.

00;30;54;01 - 00;31;00;05 Speaker 4 This is Dr. Brooklyn there you take me pictures.

00;31;00;08 - 00;31;03;19 Speaker 5 And he’s from Illinois.

00;31;03;21 - 00;31;05;22 Speaker 1 Now, this is the fellow that you were.

00;31;05;24 - 00;31;07;18 Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

00;31;07;20 - 00;31;09;21 Speaker 1 See.

00;31;09;24 - 00;31;17;14 Speaker 4 They’re not our camp up there. You put in there and log.

00;31;17;17 - 00;31;28;20 Speaker 5 My daughter has one brother, took his younger sister down into Illinois somewhere for a from Madison, Wisconsin, to.

00;31;28;22 - 00;31;30;27 Speaker 4 Doctor on the same log.

00;31;30;29 - 00;31;41;20 Speaker 5 For a football game I think And he his leg was injured He took him to a doctor and it turned out to be this doctor, Duke.

00;31;41;22 - 00;31;44;19 Speaker 1 You just had to apply. Yeah. Yeah.

00;31;44;21 - 00;31;49;18 Speaker 4 Well, he can’t. I got him.

00;31;49;20 - 00;31;58;11 Unknown Not there. yeah, that.

00;31;58;13 - 00;32;00;03 Speaker 1 You’re like.

00;32;00;05 - 00;32;01;10 Speaker 4 My bacteria.

00;32;01;10 - 00;32;10;09 Speaker 1 Okay, You.

00;32;10;11 - 00;32;11;27 Speaker 4 Like from there? You kind of.

00;32;12;00 - 00;32;29;19 Unknown I don’t know. Yeah. Yeah, No.

00;32;29;21 - 00;32;42;17 Speaker 3 And none? No. The name of Buckley from Spokane. And he would go out and I’ve always wanted to go.

00;32;42;19 - 00;33;03;13 Speaker 4 Got plenty of great care, then cross border and down on across an end of the big base under or mountain. And then I thought you know, we were out.

00;33;03;15 - 00;33;04;08 Speaker 5 Three.

00;33;04;11 - 00;33;22;05 Speaker 4 Within a week at six camp We move every two days and camp right on the edge of that big monument making there and going home. Beautiful piece game kind of care. Make your eyes on sheep. No, there was nobody in there. No problem there.

00;33;22;05 - 00;33;30;05 Speaker 5 It prevencao number. You got three and four.

00;33;30;07 - 00;33;47;13 Speaker 4 And I got him the big go on sheep on. I knew right already where them. We run in their day and they go and and he come down here and he was getting ready to fly out and got in sheet ramp showed up right over there and you don’t get around is going.

00;33;47;13 - 00;33;48;13 Speaker 3 To kick in on.

00;33;48;15 - 00;34;18;06 Speaker 4 The plane Yeah we had a couple of well, three pointer here. They already come in yet soon the ram hit the ground. Why one of them grabbed the heart. Mary come and you know, they got on a horse running right over here on the plane. Come in, you.

00;34;18;07 - 00;34;22;17 Speaker 1 And you cool out.

00;34;22;19 - 00;34;35;08 Speaker 5 But you’re running out of the door. The plane, you’re over the edge, you know, kind of running.

00;34;35;10 - 00;34;39;09 Speaker 3 It takes time on the sheep. You got to get you got to know a country.

00;34;39;12 - 00;35;04;25 Speaker 4 You got to know about when she pulled out and then you got to look at great early talk. Was there nothing there? No place. And on the North Slope were cool little ramps that they can take that heat.

00;35;04;27 - 00;35;15;12 Speaker 1 But the caves in the upper end of Big Creek Box Canyon were once you dig into stronghold Now where would this be? They’re talking about petroglyphs and hieroglyphs and so on.

00;35;15;14 - 00;35;17;29 Speaker 4 And they try it down here.

00;35;18;01 - 00;35;27;18 Speaker 1 That okay, this is what they call a box in your big box. Yeah. Yeah.

00;35;27;20 - 00;35;45;11 Speaker 4 That’s where those fancy Indian writings are. And if you go down there, you land right down on the ground. Could go right on both side and it’ll be washed out there. And you look right across from me, from Mark Black and to the point a rock there. And on the other side.

00;35;45;11 - 00;35;49;27 Speaker 1 Right in this hole with these guys you were talking about.

00;35;49;29 - 00;36;18;02 Speaker 4 And the writing was just right down here, this little island in the creek down here, it’d be quite a big picture. No, no, no. And just to the left of the trail, this side of the people where you go around and we’re not blast kind of trial here. It’s just the sound of that where you cross over that line right there against the kind of behind some.

00;36;18;02 - 00;36;19;29 Speaker 1 Topiary bush and so on.

00;36;20;01 - 00;36;25;02 Speaker 4 And there’s writings in there, but they’re they’re badly smoke if you make out there.

00;36;25;02 - 00;36;32;04 Unknown They’re I mean.

00;36;32;06 - 00;36;39;00 Speaker 5 There’s some really nice light on down on the middle court. You have to work there for good.

00;36;39;00 - 00;36;40;02 Speaker 1 Where would they where are they?

00;36;40;02 - 00;36;46;24 Speaker 5 Down where, By the way, opposite Survey Creek.

00;36;46;26 - 00;36;49;25 Speaker 4 Might be.

00;36;49;28 - 00;36;50;21 Speaker 5 Or.

00;36;50;24 - 00;36;59;19 Speaker 1 Roughly about five mile or mean. They’re five miles up the creek you’d hear.

00;36;59;22 - 00;37;04;15 Speaker 5 And they’re on the trail through the creek. So you, you don’t have. Well, they’re on.

00;37;04;15 - 00;37;18;03 Speaker 4 But they that group right down here, the veteran getting out of the country and down here in the guard, you know where they’re protected there in this boat overhang over and on the trail, the trail up.

00;37;18;05 - 00;37;19;19 Speaker 1 By a.

00;37;19;22 - 00;37;27;23 Speaker 4 Very careful this last time you went to recovery and quiet time getting older and get your way.

00;37;27;25 - 00;37;29;00 Speaker 1 And.

00;37;29;02 - 00;37;36;04 Speaker 4 Put them on damage. Yeah well you’re with animal and all of them got a lot of heat.

00;37;36;04 - 00;37;36;24 Speaker 3 Mark what.

00;37;36;24 - 00;37;41;10 Speaker 1 Are they that.

00;37;41;13 - 00;37;51;20 Speaker 5 There when we take you back to work? You know, we live in winding.

00;37;51;23 - 00;37;55;25 Speaker 1 Yellow lines awfully well. We take that only.

00;37;55;25 - 00;38;03;01 Speaker 4 One time that the sun ever hit them. And at that time, the morning right when the sun that time.

00;38;03;04 - 00;38;04;18 Speaker 1 That’s summertime.

00;38;04;21 - 00;38;08;19 Speaker 4 They’re manmade here. They’re getting the right time. Let me know.

00;38;08;19 - 00;38;12;05 Speaker 5 When they throw, because we had a bad time getting down.

00;38;12;07 - 00;38;17;17 Speaker 3 Yeah. In time that I knew him.

00;38;17;20 - 00;38;28;19 Speaker 4 But I get that we’ll probably ten feet eight feet across to three well guarded down there.

00;38;28;21 - 00;38;29;29 Speaker 5 Which were thinking.

00;38;30;14 - 00;38;47;20 Speaker 1 yeah. And I got down. Yeah. And you’re talking about draining it today.

00;38;47;25 - 00;38;49;29 Speaker 5 You know where I go tomorrow.

00;38;50;01 - 00;38;50;13 Speaker 4 In the morning.

00;38;50;14 - 00;38;52;29 Speaker 5 I don’t remember that. Anyhow.

00;38;53;02 - 00;38;56;22 Speaker 4 There’s nobody right in the prime of tomorrow and.

00;38;57;07 - 00;39;01;18 Speaker 1 that’s right. The they’re not bringing in the mail now to try to that.

00;39;01;20 - 00;39;02;16 Speaker 3 Pride month, you know.

00;39;02;20 - 00;39;03;25 Speaker 1 So it won’t be this third.

00;39;03;28 - 00;39;11;19 Speaker 4 No I don’t think so. And we will.

00;39;11;21 - 00;39;12;09 Speaker 1 Get out per.

00;39;12;10 - 00;39;16;01 Speaker 4 Fine day there after.

00;39;16;03 - 00;39;19;14 Speaker 5 Didn’t sound like this and we burn for a day or two.

00;39;19;17 - 00;39;22;29 Speaker 3 Not declaring no.

00;39;23;01 - 00;39;25;00 Speaker 4 Rain the night.

00;39;25;02 - 00;39;28;17 Speaker 3 Clearing right.

00;39;28;20 - 00;39;30;16 Speaker 5 It takes us on our team.

00;39;30;16 - 00;39;30;28 Speaker 3 Like you get.

00;39;30;28 - 00;39;39;15 Speaker 4 Heard. The theory that these branches coming through right behind of.

00;39;39;17 - 00;39;41;14 Speaker 1 How long it takes more than.

00;39;41;17 - 00;39;43;05 Speaker 5 An hour here.

00;39;43;08 - 00;40;02;27 Speaker 4 But it Yeah I drove them well up there were a couple of said Yeah. Down them them.

00;40;03;05 - 00;40;12;17 Speaker 5 I didn’t really expect it to track you know I really have some good pictures. My favorite of the trip to me they were important.

00;40;12;19 - 00;40;19;08 Speaker 4 You don’t fool around on them. All right? I’m fine. I can tell you. He down by, They’ll come right at you, you know.

00;40;19;09 - 00;40;20;11 Speaker 1 But then again, I.

00;40;20;12 - 00;40;24;09 Speaker 5 Think we can have poster board or.

00;40;24;11 - 00;40;27;28 Speaker 4 You know.

00;40;28;00 - 00;40;33;18 Speaker 3 And that’s funny. My phone and my down there on.

00;40;33;20 - 00;40;42;16 Speaker 1 That one has really big one. They both are ensuring that when they get.

00;40;42;18 - 00;40;50;17 Speaker 4 What did you know that not a bigger than you think when you get out and look at that go to the so.

00;40;50;19 - 00;40;52;10 Speaker 1 What did you get those.

00;40;52;12 - 00;40;53;14 Speaker 4 On the map and I.

00;40;53;18 - 00;41;02;22 Speaker 1 Don’t that that.

00;41;02;24 - 00;41;03;26 Speaker 3 And that how.

00;41;03;26 - 00;41;09;02 Speaker 4 And might be ignored blow up.

00;41;09;04 - 00;41;17;29 Speaker 5 Well we’re all we are all and you keep regretting afterward that we haven’t gotten to like right we don’t know.

00;41;18;00 - 00;41;21;09 Speaker 4 I did it down the road and everything to do it with.

00;41;21;11 - 00;41;31;03 Speaker 5 I knew nothing about that. She knew more. But we should have gotten a light, you know, back of that. A highlight. Yeah. So it would have come up.

00;41;31;06 - 00;41;38;12 Speaker 1 Well, yeah, There’s two ways you could do that. See that? One of the beauties of both these photographs is the black background.

00;41;38;18 - 00;41;44;27 Speaker 5 Yeah, well, this was a piece of black material he was using hands over him.

00;41;44;29 - 00;41;56;05 Speaker 1 But you could have had a light. Yes, over in the side just kind of come and just highlight more. And then the orange would have been highlighted, you know? Well, there’s something you know.

00;41;56;07 - 00;42;08;26 Speaker 4 You don’t. That tone on my black background, you can already make the other part of the head out there to get around and look at the whole the whole mouth there.

00;42;08;28 - 00;42;09;26 Speaker 1 Yeah I noticed.

00;42;09;29 - 00;42;11;26 Speaker 3 Yeah. What name the blue.

00;42;11;26 - 00;42;19;07 Speaker 4 Light and all the stones they put down there a dark sheet.

00;42;19;09 - 00;42;20;25 Speaker 1 Who did the taxidermy work.

00;42;20;27 - 00;42;29;29 Speaker 4 John and Daniel Jones.

00;42;30;02 - 00;42;39;07 Speaker 1 On your did you coming into the runway, did you work at that sort of piecemeal or did you do that all pretty much at one time?

00;42;39;10 - 00;43;07;09 Speaker 4 Well, we had a blind here and that placed the water out on the strip. And he was also one of the head bootlegger during prohibition. And but he did quite a lot of work here. There was an old it there and here you got kind of build up and and but when I take it out I went further up the creek so get more gravity on it and then come in the old legend and on down.

00;43;07;11 - 00;43;34;21 Speaker 4 And then I cut that out along the upper end there, creeping down along the side. There and, but I’d, I’d work community care at the high water line down the high water on some descriptive thing, you know some and I figured I’d go down on the cocktail. By the end of that I turn the water in the deck.

00;43;34;23 - 00;43;43;09 Speaker 1 So usually that would be you’re talking about the second high water and you turn the water on what, the metal or the end of July? Yeah.

00;43;43;11 - 00;44;15;24 Speaker 4 We’ve got a and I think that I had turned it on in the spring a time or two when the Greek with the low we get didn’t get the necessary 77 good but that’s scrap already quite a bunch of you know that I know How about ground on there don’t take anything that that that smothered him. I thought his mother would apparently have I never did see the center of the strip.

00;44;15;24 - 00;44;46;05 Speaker 4 You know, just both sides out now. We’ll probably leave 30 put her on. That’s all we ever use anymore. But, Andy, you know, I’ll come there and get Niger. It will, you know, and then I’d, I’d get put down there all around before and, and move aside and knock a little out here and there sometimes even had oak on the more more two or three round you get close in on it.

00;44;46;08 - 00;44;54;10 Speaker 1 Like a star and then.

00;44;55;26 - 00;44;59;03 Unknown yeah, why don’t we you.

00;44;59;05 - 00;45;10;18 Speaker 1 We’re going down. She’s the picture down gorge where I was. I don’t know what the lights know. It could be cut up tomorrow and, and be worth it, you know. So we’ll see. Well.

00;45;10;20 - 00;45;16;14 Speaker 4 That’s hard to tell. We’ll both be darned. Nine out of the forecast, I think, that night.

00;45;16;17 - 00;45;22;21 Speaker 1 But when that you’ve they get much farther down here then it is it clear out.

00;45;22;23 - 00;46;00;11 Speaker 4 No gonna getting breakthrough anywhere you know we get down here it’s that area right and I was working here in Boise and upon you and it’ll be roughing up anyplace and then getting in from Chicago. Why that rain drop this way toward the top four. It’ll stop in solid, but generally more open this way. Then her kids, either one, the other up from Simon or Cal.

00;46;00;13 - 00;46;05;26 Speaker 5 When you fly in, do you come down the middle or up the middle for come in?

00;46;05;29 - 00;46;37;29 Speaker 1 If for some reason I come over into the upper country and maybe stop off at North Star or Running Creek, then when I come over, I come over and we’ll come over at the head and Magruder there, you know, the opposite way, and just drop right over. And then I come up the middle for you. But like yesterday we came in and I came over hard steer east of Greenville at the South Fork at Clearwater, right over Cheney Grove, just a little bit east of Dixie, right over Chamberlain.

00;46;38;02 - 00;46;41;16 Speaker 4 Down the No, we can you go out there? We go.

00;46;41;16 - 00;46;42;14 Speaker 3 Down and then right.

00;46;42;14 - 00;46;57;28 Speaker 4 On up the valley in Missoula. We had gotten the demo quite a bit. And one time Kenny Rob brought us what he called the background, and that was on the other side of the range.

00;46;58;01 - 00;47;00;17 Speaker 1 You mean over on the west side? Well.

00;47;00;19 - 00;47;01;15 Speaker 4 Yeah.

00;47;01;18 - 00;47;03;26 Speaker 5 Put over a little light and we saw move.

00;47;03;28 - 00;47;05;23 Speaker 4 Move down, out, middle, lay.

00;47;05;25 - 00;47;07;08 Speaker 5 Down the line.

00;47;07;10 - 00;47;08;18 Speaker 1 That’s sure. Great.

00;47;08;20 - 00;47;13;05 Speaker 4 Yeah. Well, we came in that way. He brought it in that way and then we came in around.

00;47;13;05 - 00;47;18;12 Speaker 1 Your Honor, I didn’t hear what Kenny had one heck of a pilot.

00;47;18;15 - 00;47;25;16 Speaker 4 Well, you know. Yeah, that is any kind of a pilot.

00;47;25;18 - 00;47;26;16 Speaker 1 Right?

00;47;26;18 - 00;47;32;03 Speaker 4 And I didn’t get Mark. And those aren’t mental training. You don’t get Narcan in the pilot in.

00;47;32;06 - 00;47;46;07 Speaker 1 Boys in Flying. So tomorrow you don’t know. You just go, I’m on the whoever comes in then fly out or.

00;47;46;15 - 00;47;48;22 Speaker 4 no, no. Well I think when I’m walking.

00;47;48;25 - 00;47;49;21 Speaker 1 Out I say.

00;47;49;23 - 00;47;51;22 Speaker 4 You know, we keep our contacts out there.

00;47;51;22 - 00;48;01;07 Speaker 5 All I go, Are you We are. We might go to my again. It depends upon how they do from here.

00;48;01;10 - 00;48;03;02 Speaker 1 I think.

00;48;03;05 - 00;48;05;15 Speaker 5 When you go.

00;48;05;18 - 00;48;07;10 Speaker 1 It’s mark Right.

00;48;07;12 - 00;48;08;15 Speaker 5 Yeah.

00;48;08;17 - 00;48;24;27 Speaker 1 Well cancels is coming in and he may have one other or maybe a couple of people working and he was talking about coming in tomorrow afternoon. So we may leave when he arrives or maybe just before another word.

00;48;24;27 - 00;48;27;23 Speaker 4 You figured he’d get that you get out there.

00;48;27;26 - 00;48;54;22 Speaker 1 Smart. Yeah. Or we may just go on over into the into the cell, but we then stop and visit with Carolyn for one. But if possible. But maybe tomorrow or later this afternoon to take a couple of portrait shots of the crew sitting there. I think of the we could even got a picture of that for you later on in.

00;48;54;22 - 00;48;57;04 Speaker 5 That where we I take horrible pictures.

00;48;57;04 - 00;48;58;28 Speaker 1 Well good.

00;48;59;01 - 00;49;00;16 Speaker 4 Yeah and stay in.

00;49;00;16 - 00;49;02;15 Speaker 1 Iraq and here like that.

00;49;02;17 - 00;49;05;02 Speaker 4 You’re not sure we have one.

00;49;05;05 - 00;49;11;00 Speaker 1 And we like that. I don’t know if the college has any shots of you in the house here. And especially I.

00;49;11;00 - 00;49;14;26 Speaker 5 Don’t think I’m here. Not in the house. I don’t know.

00;49;14;28 - 00;49;19;08 Speaker 1 In fact, I haven’t seen I haven’t seen that many pictures of I don’t know.

00;49;19;08 - 00;49;21;20 Speaker 5 Where you’re right, going on.

00;49;21;22 - 00;49;22;26 Speaker 1 The Argonaut.

00;49;22;28 - 00;49;38;08 Speaker 5 A vague and vague. And I know you well in the some of these pictures, we look just like farm cattle, but we’re in. That is the story of the.

00;49;38;10 - 00;49;57;01 Speaker 1 Well, I tell you what, we got a tripod and got a real good camera and I have a fairly decent camera. We could take some shots and then we have a real good darkroom at the college and we can have them up next time we meet. Whether you can look at some contact prints and if there’s something you like, we can blow them up inside you.

00;49;57;03 - 00;50;32;01 Speaker 1 That would be really nice. In fact, Dave was talking last night. The I don’t know whether you’ve seen it, the college or the university has a publication. They call it contact. And it is that a monthly I think it’s by monthly right now. And they they’ve got a new editor and she’s very interested in getting feature articles especially anything about wilderness and primitive areas and also the Taylor Ranch.

00;50;32;01 - 00;50;51;02 Speaker 1 And and I’d like some time I’d like to sit with you and talk with you more, and maybe we can work up a real nice feature story about you being back here in just about the ranch and, and do an article around around you, too, because I think that’s where that’s where the story is. I think there’s a real good story there.

00;50;51;02 - 00;51;07;06 Speaker 1 And, you know, it’s I know that the university would be very much in favor of getting publicity like that. And it’s just a real interest to people over there due to our kind of a household where you around college, especially.

00;51;07;09 - 00;51;26;19 Speaker 4 When you and we have people do that. And I think that what we have done here or you know, we’ve got various periods, my experiences we’ve had and so on, but I’m sure they in the way of that more interactive reading than some of these are public.

00;51;26;22 - 00;51;38;18 Speaker 1 Right in the way we work it is that I would work up a draft and we would get together and you could go over it and we make sure of accuracy, that sort of thing. So we all be satisfied before it was ever published.

00;51;38;20 - 00;51;45;22 Speaker 5 And you know, when you think that the whole House was down, I had to write no farm, you.

00;51;45;28 - 00;51;46;21 Speaker 4 Know, part.

00;51;46;23 - 00;51;48;01 Speaker 5 Harmony.

00;51;48;03 - 00;51;52;08 Speaker 4 And then have part of it. And then they all come out of one.

00;51;52;15 - 00;51;54;01 Speaker 1 this is something people don’t realize.

00;51;54;01 - 00;52;02;29 Speaker 5 And they realize that every every now either. Yes. Chances are it was carefully crafted.

00;52;02;29 - 00;52;13;29 Speaker 1 So we were admiring the cabin last night, the work. And it’s really amazing. And you match the logs and then.

00;52;14;02 - 00;52;42;00 Speaker 4 Well, when we when we were operating this and had that cabin and out of doing the guiding and about one packer and that’s all we had, we done the cooking and everything but 800 we’d take it home or, and our game deck was way above average and we’ve been.

00;52;42;00 - 00;52;42;26 Speaker 1 And.

00;52;42;28 - 00;53;02;14 Speaker 4 We’ve been on the top outfitter in, in the Yukon and in Alaska, nine in the top and up there and British Columbia and none of them running up that compared to what we ran here when we included that cabin with the showers.

00;53;02;15 - 00;53;04;18 Speaker 1 And and people coming here.

00;53;04;19 - 00;53;11;01 Speaker 5 But you know, I didn’t hear that, you know, that they could just in our sleeping bag.

00;53;11;04 - 00;53;30;18 Speaker 4 They’d come out on the hill and here we knew they were coming north. They had no no. When we were coming off that water shower, water hot. No wonder we got to repeat business. The caravan business right now is repeat from our operation here.

00;53;30;21 - 00;53;31;17 Speaker 5 Well, a.

00;53;31;21 - 00;53;32;10 Speaker 4 Lot of a lot.

00;53;32;11 - 00;53;42;17 Speaker 5 Of like we did here. It was fun to do and it was fine. We had a walk hour.

00;53;42;17 - 00;54;23;02 Speaker 4 We the first couple that ever went into that cabin, we didn’t panic them. The oil is hardly dry on the floor and they looked pretty plush. Well, they were too far back here, and that’s been a good many years to go. And he he rode and wanted to come just on a fishing trip and so on. And and then we got another letter from and said that if we had the proper accommodation that he would like to bring it right and we rode back to shore in that we had and, and you know, and he walked into that cabin and he said, you know, I did not do that.

00;54;23;02 - 00;54;30;24 Speaker 4 The damn liar when I walked in here. And they never.

00;54;30;26 - 00;54;37;17 Speaker 1 When did you get you get the idea of selling ranch to the university for as a research center.

00;54;37;20 - 00;55;11;22 Speaker 4 Well, Mark wrote that one note we’ve been arrested on rape their proposition and then don’t be carried forward with it. And we told him we want the that we were then arrested and apparently here and we would interact and see the place maintained their present status. We weren’t interested in selling this in California or somebody to go and put a bunch of cabins in here and go all out on something here because we want to part of it.

00;55;11;25 - 00;55;13;29 Speaker 3 We wish to come and go.

00;55;14;01 - 00;55;37;25 Speaker 4 And that was that was one reason that we dealt with the university. And so far it was a few reverses. It worked out pretty good. But we you know, we’ve got to always minimize the reverses. We don’t we don’t taking them anymore. We get one. We get eliminate.

00;55;37;27 - 00;55;38;29 Speaker 5 But you so you can’t do.

00;55;38;29 - 00;55;47;00 Speaker 4 That, right? Don’t they’ve got a pretty good idea,

00;55;47;02 - 00;56;04;29 Speaker 5 Bracket came along in our lives when we were average 46 and Jeff was 50, and there was, you know, just when you here, you’re gone. You’re all you don’t have anything more to do. But we did. We were so busy and worked so hard to you that.

00;56;05;01 - 00;56;08;03 Speaker 1 We forgot all about it.

00;56;08;05 - 00;56;22;06 Speaker 4 Yet before we got in the paper newspaper about how to operate a let’s go. So Dorothy read that and got we got ideas, you know, about our operating.

00;56;22;08 - 00;56;33;16 Speaker 5 Rights and how to get and I would go in the Boise paper the semi we came here might get it down it’s one of our needs and I’ve.

00;56;33;16 - 00;56;36;28 Speaker 1 Been told you were born in Idaho is that right And what part about.

00;56;37;00 - 00;56;48;03 Speaker 5 An amalgamation that the small town where under people that were born your people when I was there and your people now never came.

00;56;48;06 - 00;56;49;17 Speaker 1 Within.

00;56;49;17 - 00;56;57;02 Speaker 5 30 miles west of the bill Beverly in eastern Iowa. Yeah.

00;56;57;04 - 00;57;07;02 Speaker 1 I’m from Minnesota. We used to go campaign in Iowa all the time down south southwest of Des Moines and the Creston.

00;57;07;04 - 00;57;15;00 Speaker 5 I guess, where people were living in this little town on the other end, 20 miles away at Manchester.

00;57;15;02 - 00;57;16;09 Speaker 1 Was when I was on my own.

00;57;16;15 - 00;57;20;20 Speaker 5 Yes. You are reading me from western Iowa.

00;57;20;20 - 00;57;30;10 Speaker 1 I’m not sure. Not very popular in that place.

00;57;30;13 - 00;58;02;19 Speaker 5 Well, after I went back, I might be prosecuted to go up and my cousin took me was driving around within a short distance of the little town. I can’t imagine what my father thought. He had to leave for this beautiful country and a lot of Indian War to act up and never had a million more across the country.

00;58;02;21 - 00;58;03;25 Speaker 5 Nearby.

00;58;03;27 - 00;58;16;21 Speaker 1 Very much Southern. I was still back on the way. It was in the thirties. I think that’s when people came out. A lot of that’s why I still have the stories of the bus driver. Yeah, very much like.

00;58;16;24 - 00;58;18;05 Speaker 5 Some of these movies they made.

00;58;18;05 - 00;58;19;14 Speaker 1 You find that.

00;58;19;17 - 00;59;58;09 Speaker 5 Where it is from town where I was born, used to have a burger and there we lived there when I was about six, just down.