Jess Taylor and Dorothy Taylor Interview #5 Part 1, 11/06/1974 [transcript]

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;08;10 Unknown I don’t know.

00;00;08;10 - 00;00;28;00 Speaker 2 If he showed me Monday night, but are you there? They had to get my release before they could go ahead on it. And she wrote them farm for the release. And then later on, I got a nightmare. I’m like, You’re sorry, but they get be found by the,

00;00;28;03 - 00;00;30;11 Speaker 3 Yeah.

00;00;30;13 - 00;00;36;02 Speaker 4 If you could come across that her name.

00;00;36;08 - 00;00;36;17 Speaker 2 well, I.

00;00;36;24 - 00;00;39;15 Speaker 5 I’m sure I can get bored.

00;00;39;18 - 00;00;41;17 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, but they.

00;00;41;19 - 00;00;44;05 Speaker 5 Will be gone in time or, like, maybe.

00;00;44;05 - 00;00;49;09 Speaker 3 But I think we still have been seeing the footage.

00;00;49;14 - 00;00;50;12 Speaker 2 And I’m not.

00;00;50;14 - 00;00;51;20 Speaker 3 If you have a magazine or what.

00;00;51;26 - 00;00;52;23 Speaker 5 Have you were different.

00;00;52;23 - 00;00;56;12 Speaker 4 Pictures of some sheep or 30 in the mail.

00;00;56;14 - 00;01;05;04 Speaker 5 Not nearly as good as back then. I sorry, they weren’t as good. Yeah, but you’re like.

00;01;05;06 - 00;01;11;29 Speaker 2 You buy that by after you.

00;01;12;01 - 00;01;15;02 Speaker 5 Get around it?

00;01;15;04 - 00;01;15;13 Speaker 5 Yeah.

00;01;15;17 - 00;01;20;05 Speaker 4 Yeah. Where are you taking photographs? We’re putting up the cabins.

00;01;20;08 - 00;01;22;07 Speaker 2 Yeah. yeah, Yeah, we’ve got them now.

00;01;22;07 - 00;01;23;11 Speaker 4 That would be something that.

00;01;23;11 - 00;01;24;09 Speaker 2 We got a.

00;01;24;12 - 00;01;28;05 Speaker 5 Lot to be out here with. The certainly dollars. They’re.

00;01;28;08 - 00;01;42;27 Speaker 2 We’ve got quite a big one, particularly on night cabin down there. So that when I first started to, when I have the rafters up in the shoulder column, the lock down their grip, I had that steel wagon with a 30 foot ridge out. yeah.

00;01;42;29 - 00;01;49;06 Speaker 3 And you you think you you still have a name?

00;01;49;09 - 00;01;53;07 Speaker 5 Yeah, I think so. This we have a reason.

00;01;53;07 - 00;01;54;24 Speaker 2 We’re a very.

00;01;54;26 - 00;02;12;18 Speaker 3 Concerned that it is. Maybe sometime on, we want to put in a kind of a history of the history of, of what has gone on here and all the development there. You know, then we can maybe get the negatives and make up your furniture here.

00;02;12;20 - 00;02;13;21 Speaker 2 We have a.

00;02;13;23 - 00;02;18;01 Speaker 3 Very good thing. Lot.

00;02;18;04 - 00;02;23;11 Speaker 5 Know. wow. My pictures are hard. They are very funny to me.

00;02;23;13 - 00;02;26;07 Speaker 3 What’s he doing? Dreaming about something.

00;02;26;09 - 00;02;39;17 Speaker 5 You know, you’re right there. Those are two, you know, red flags that I kind of in my own mind. And then take it. That was so ideal that.

00;02;39;18 - 00;02;41;00 Speaker 4 Maybe it’s catching the dream. And he.

00;02;41;00 - 00;02;46;17 Speaker 5 Was having a problem thinking of a.

00;02;46;22 - 00;02;54;13 Speaker 2 Girl. I can’t recall the the time out. Every year there even there.

00;02;54;15 - 00;02;58;00 Speaker 5 Was a nominee.

00;02;58;02 - 00;03;13;20 Speaker 2 Yeah. Nominate your their top photographer. And he came back and another time after that he had more pictures. But I wasn’t here. But he. You were out of it. I think you might be in the American.

00;03;13;22 - 00;03;19;20 Speaker 5 Because we didn’t have any travel cases. I thought you were not married or didn’t care.

00;03;19;23 - 00;03;24;04 Speaker 4 Were you on this side or that side of the.

00;03;24;07 - 00;03;25;25 Speaker 2 I would agree.

00;03;25;27 - 00;03;28;11 Speaker 5 They would have been practically.

00;03;28;14 - 00;03;29;23 Speaker 2 Right.

00;03;29;26 - 00;03;42;06 Speaker 5 Before we lay down hand in the tree rack or the cabin, you now, you first came in here.

00;03;42;07 - 00;03;46;01 Speaker 4 You said in 19 when.

00;03;46;03 - 00;03;53;15 Speaker 2 I bought the right from 1934. And even then I like.

00;03;53;17 - 00;04;02;12 Speaker 4 I said, now that would be a contact grant just about. Or did you turn that down this year?

00;04;02;14 - 00;04;05;17 Speaker 5 I came down a little.

00;04;05;19 - 00;04;07;25 Speaker 3 Because that would be that temporary victory for.

00;04;07;28 - 00;04;11;00 Speaker 5 My family. What did.

00;04;11;02 - 00;04;25;06 Unknown Know? I don’t know. I don’t know.

00;04;25;24 - 00;04;37;02 Speaker 5 isn’t that right? Is that where you? Me? I mean, I’m glad we’re on that.

00;04;37;04 - 00;04;48;01 Speaker 2 Yeah, that’s our plan. Yeah. Your caller never made it basically over in Colorado for the mountain flying again.

00;04;48;03 - 00;05;01;23 Speaker 5 I don’t know that what that is with the choir you know, with a nice long plane. Well you know where we were just right you know. So your.

00;05;01;25 - 00;05;05;28 Speaker 3 Your bathroom is at about where the.

00;05;06;01 - 00;05;08;16 Speaker 5 The cable. I have been down there for, you know.

00;05;08;16 - 00;05;25;00 Speaker 2 It was about an hour above the cable quite a way. Right where you first. Right where you cross a little creek there, you know, right there at the tree or on. There’s still I still see some. Yeah. Yeah. That’s where the old records might open up on the.

00;05;25;02 - 00;05;38;11 Speaker 5 River that there were from Mackinac Island. It was, it was, they was, you know, I guess the jambalaya.

00;05;38;13 - 00;05;41;24 Speaker 3 Definitely not a soldier, but I do.

00;05;41;26 - 00;05;51;16 Speaker 5 It was very No that was the classic sense of the beach.

00;05;51;19 - 00;05;59;00 Speaker 2 We didn’t buy anything more and go to the bar and just like they had to get by with, you know, they can get this, you know.

00;05;59;03 - 00;06;00;26 Speaker 3 How long it takes to feel that.

00;06;00;29 - 00;06;05;11 Speaker 2 Well, we were over here that time.

00;06;05;13 - 00;06;06;28 Speaker 3 Was there much right on there that.

00;06;06;28 - 00;06;26;18 Speaker 2 You had to move not to take the ground. But no, it wasn’t any problem of cream rock and wash it through. We were on the big rock right here on the hill where I got that rain. we felt a big wave. Either I’m coming around the field at all.

00;06;26;20 - 00;06;38;15 Speaker 5 And or on the old pier, and I don’t know what they are, really. It kind of you Now.

00;06;38;17 - 00;06;41;00 Speaker 4 The first airplane land here.

00;06;41;02 - 00;06;42;18 Speaker 5 Was this will.

00;06;42;20 - 00;06;47;20 Speaker 4 Make the last name out of Maggie. And who is the pilot you remember.

00;06;47;22 - 00;06;48;12 Speaker 2 Right?

00;06;48;15 - 00;06;48;28 Speaker 5 You’re right.

00;06;48;28 - 00;06;51;10 Speaker 2 There’s Bob. There’s not there.

00;06;51;13 - 00;06;55;20 Speaker 4 And that would have been.

00;06;55;22 - 00;06;57;09 Speaker 2 Well, let’s see that.

00;06;57;12 - 00;07;00;24 Speaker 5 Summer, 39.

00;07;00;26 - 00;07;20;14 Speaker 2 48, in the winter of 48, 49. But probably 50. And if they made two inspections on the airport, inspected.

00;07;20;15 - 00;07;23;24 Speaker 3 The first.

00;07;23;26 - 00;07;29;01 Speaker 5 I don’t think they just came.

00;07;29;01 - 00;07;36;05 Unknown In with that.

00;07;36;07 - 00;07;45;16 Speaker 5 Are you are you from Atlanta? So you’re very of course. And then they went and and this three and one by.

00;07;45;18 - 00;07;55;15 Speaker 4 Four back Right now, I can’t tell from the pictures at your side members where you have all of all that aluminum. No that would that was would.

00;07;55;17 - 00;08;00;22 Speaker 5 Now that was a plane that don’t sell your car.

00;08;00;24 - 00;08;07;22 Speaker 4 Is that what your tail section is? Your smoker. Yeah. Was that a 170 or one. 4120.

00;08;07;25 - 00;08;08;01 Speaker 2 Seven.

00;08;08;03 - 00;08;14;07 Speaker 4 They got Alaska. Yeah.

00;08;14;09 - 00;08;18;11 Speaker 2 They rub it out right on top of your bottom.

00;08;18;13 - 00;08;19;10 Speaker 4 On when it was landing.

00;08;19;10 - 00;08;19;15 Speaker 2 There.

00;08;19;16 - 00;08;23;06 Speaker 5 Yeah it was, they weren’t one of the.

00;08;23;08 - 00;08;27;06 Speaker 2 When it went down I kind of knew that that downdraft, that, that bar.

00;08;27;09 - 00;08;34;05 Speaker 5 This was before down there. So you were going to we could start here.

00;08;34;08 - 00;08;44;18 Speaker 2 I assure you. I say I get it set on quick, you know. Well the kind of it when they put on their.

00;08;44;21 - 00;08;49;16 Unknown They are a.

00;08;49;19 - 00;09;02;13 Speaker 5 Little girl I used to have them up in monumental thing down here when we’re all out with this trail right down here on the airport.

00;09;02;17 - 00;09;08;16 Speaker 4 I see the casket. I didn’t think they were praying.

00;09;08;18 - 00;09;19;21 Speaker 2 We had their bill already got them. they’re ready to go. I’m about to land in the pits.

00;09;19;23 - 00;09;33;23 Speaker 5 Yeah, No, that’s the way the house started.

00;09;33;25 - 00;09;37;15 Unknown They’re there first. I don’t.

00;09;37;15 - 00;09;40;18 Speaker 5 Know. I guess they were coming back.

00;09;40;18 - 00;09;47;29 Unknown I was getting, I think, the go in there and.

00;09;48;02 - 00;09;52;08 Speaker 5 It appeared you was alive.

00;09;52;11 - 00;09;58;02 Speaker 3 I don’t like it that good. You don’t really look like it.

00;09;58;05 - 00;10;26;04 Speaker 5 There’s nothing worse than I noticed this. And then my brother, when we first got you.

00;10;26;06 - 00;10;27;11 Speaker 3 Wasn’t too bad around here.

00;10;27;11 - 00;10;31;20 Speaker 5 You know that. When I was down here, it was in town.

00;10;31;24 - 00;10;40;01 Speaker 4 What’s the. If there any historical tie between cabin Creek and this and this area?

00;10;40;03 - 00;10;49;28 Speaker 2 Well, these places that they no place in here, we’re all average about, thank God, you know, give or take or.

00;10;50;00 - 00;10;51;06 Speaker 3 Very.

00;10;51;09 - 00;10;52;14 Speaker 2 Short period.

00;10;52;16 - 00;10;55;07 Speaker 4 They have all bought their work today.

00;10;55;09 - 00;11;05;19 Speaker 2 Well, it was 88 or nine right now.

00;11;05;21 - 00;11;29;23 Speaker 3 I first time I come in here, you just left as I recall and you give someone some small steel air from here. And I they gave me some of it. Boy, I was good. So I wish I had it. And I’m sure that I was working in and out of work. You smoke or I came in here the last day that the steel had run.

00;11;29;23 - 00;11;32;21 Speaker 3 The spring, summer, spring.

00;11;32;23 - 00;11;34;15 Speaker 2 And I got Yeah. And.

00;11;34;18 - 00;11;36;12 Speaker 3 And I got, I got to that.

00;11;36;14 - 00;11;37;17 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

00;11;37;19 - 00;11;40;23 Speaker 3 I sure would like to smoke but I didn’t know.

00;11;40;25 - 00;11;47;12 Speaker 5 How to do other. This was the first time we ever had to going down the field.

00;11;47;15 - 00;11;48;19 Speaker 4 And by the time.

00;11;48;23 - 00;12;14;22 Speaker 5 Someone came in we had to. What was the name? Name. Yeah, this was the packer. Yeah. Yeah. When they built the big orange bridge. Yeah, they landed all of the timbers here. SAT down on.

00;12;14;24 - 00;12;35;01 Unknown The monument down here.

00;12;35;04 - 00;13;02;01 Speaker 5 Right now. We’ve made a huge stadium now that you.

00;13;02;03 - 00;13;07;27 Speaker 3 Was the back portion of that, the built houses, that part of the original cabin. Yeah. Yeah.

00;13;08;04 - 00;13;10;14 Speaker 2 And that, you know.

00;13;10;17 - 00;13;11;18 Speaker 3 All right now.

00;13;11;21 - 00;13;21;22 Speaker 2 You mean the big one up there. Yeah. Yeah. It was all built the same time. Yeah. Yeah. When was that, Bill?

00;13;22;12 - 00;13;33;17 Speaker 5 they had the house burning down here in 1918, I think.

00;13;33;20 - 00;13;36;07 Speaker 4 We been here.

00;13;36;10 - 00;13;47;01 Speaker 2 Take it for a year.

00;13;47;04 - 00;13;56;22 Speaker 4 You were using Joplin then. Every place you were working, doing your work? Yeah.

00;13;56;24 - 00;13;57;15 Speaker 2 I’d run.

00;13;57;20 - 00;14;03;22 Unknown Along the floor around the level.

00;14;03;25 - 00;14;33;05 Speaker 2 Grand Pier, around the outer edge, where you in level up so far. And you’d be outside long now while I got you inside. What it is I had that all blocked out and all I had to do to try to find the green high point. And you better go down. It’s quite got you this or how big is that?

00;14;33;05 - 00;14;33;13 Speaker 4 Right.

00;14;33;17 - 00;14;46;08 Speaker 5 You so right here. Yes. I know you’re saying this air you have is an area of good. Of course.

00;14;46;10 - 00;14;52;13 Speaker 2 Well, I don’t want to get mad again. Grunt a little bit.

00;14;52;16 - 00;15;01;27 Speaker 5 I don’t really care for candy. You know, you’re busy working in somebody that’s in the back yard. The work. And I.

00;15;01;29 - 00;15;07;15 Speaker 3 Said, You got a mouth open or something.

00;15;07;17 - 00;15;11;17 Speaker 5 Right now, that’s an early Ernie picture.

00;15;11;19 - 00;15;18;16 Unknown Yeah. If you take care. You know the.

00;15;18;19 - 00;15;25;28 Speaker 5 Automobile and Bill here Now this was here.

00;15;26;00 - 00;15;27;11 Speaker 2 Is that their group?

00;15;27;13 - 00;15;51;00 Speaker 5 Yeah. System you know that they moved. Are you better with this than I am? I think this is Harry here. We’re over here, boy. You’re getting Grandma debris night. And I think that your body.

00;15;51;03 - 00;16;07;18 Speaker 2 You know, and helping they get off on this. I am glad that part it Mavis complied with all the rules and regulations and what they please expedite the issue that we have all that part.

00;16;07;20 - 00;16;21;26 Speaker 4 Yeah now was before service at that time and doing any of the the homestead application and it’s the survey or was that all a global government land office.

00;16;21;26 - 00;16;32;16 Speaker 2 Yeah well I think it’s a government land now but it’s designated as a part homestead and they are in the Foreign Office not in the land office.

00;16;32;20 - 00;16;33;00 Speaker 5 Yeah.

00;16;33;04 - 00;16;34;03 Speaker 2 Exactly.

00;16;34;05 - 00;16;39;11 Speaker 5 That they work very well right down the tree.

00;16;39;13 - 00;16;42;29 Speaker 4 Well I’ve got all the information.

00;16;43;14 - 00;16;43;23 Speaker 5 I haven’t.

00;16;43;23 - 00;16;44;28 Speaker 2 Been, you know, I have been always.

00;16;44;28 - 00;16;48;29 Speaker 4 On the cell. I homestead from the Air Force are.

00;16;48;29 - 00;16;49;19 Speaker 5 Three of the.

00;16;49;19 - 00;16;53;00 Speaker 4 Problem areas that I don’t know.

00;16;53;02 - 00;16;56;28 Speaker 5 There are two projects. They have been mountains.

00;16;57;01 - 00;17;12;20 Speaker 4 You know, for a while I was away for and then they disbanded this away completely. And they made an expedition in Clearwater, a bitterroot. And then they have switched boundaries since. And well, this originally in the Idaho for Rocky.

00;17;12;20 - 00;17;14;28 Speaker 5 Now that you’re on.

00;17;15;00 - 00;17;16;06 Speaker 4 This is always had.

00;17;16;08 - 00;17;17;02 Speaker 2 Always been.

00;17;17;04 - 00;17;17;23 Speaker 4 Okay.

00;17;17;26 - 00;17;18;28 Speaker 2 Yeah.

00;17;19;00 - 00;17;24;07 Speaker 4 Because I know just north of here where you go in that Idaho forest and Larry Gordon No.

00;17;24;09 - 00;17;33;21 Speaker 2 No this has always been a part of the the early in the early days, the adults were then you can’t take.

00;17;33;23 - 00;17;38;25 Unknown Them in movie Dr. McCall so they don’t have anyone for it.

00;17;38;27 - 00;17;40;17 Speaker 4 Okay well that that really help.

00;17;40;17 - 00;17;50;10 Unknown On looking at that. Yeah. yeah.

00;17;50;12 - 00;17;54;13 Speaker 2 We got a survey here.

00;17;54;15 - 00;17;57;10 Speaker 5 And years.

00;17;57;10 - 00;18;02;28 Speaker 2 Ago. Yeah, yeah, we’re getting old. Can’t find the old. We get to go and.

00;18;03;00 - 00;18;07;27 Speaker 4 We talked with Earl, and he mentioned that that they come down and survey all the corners.

00;18;07;28 - 00;18;09;16 Speaker 5 Earmarked. Yes. Yeah.

00;18;09;18 - 00;18;44;18 Speaker 2 You know, this is a special crew, and that’s all they do. Get. We run the boundary lines where the markers are and the witness created or practically go on and no marker, just little pile of stone. And under each pile of stone, if you hit right on the pavement big. Well, if I’m back there and in the back now I want to look on.

00;18;44;21 - 00;19;07;29 Speaker 2 And that was right up here and our figures, the way we read it and the way we run it out, part of it here, right. We’re on the trail. Yeah, There they description was a little bit blurry and we put a magnifying glass on it and no way we interpret it the way they interpret a little bit different.

00;19;08;01 - 00;19;29;24 Speaker 2 And I’m sure they did. They with our interpretation. God, I knew where it was when I put that right up there with it. Right wear on it there. But there are probably a couple of people they going up to the right part of it, but not brown. Yeah, that’s just in right up here.

00;19;29;26 - 00;19;35;04 Speaker 3 That’s real interesting. Some of the things you find in those old tobacco cans too, like.

00;19;35;06 - 00;20;06;01 Speaker 2 Well, we got lucky about the beginnings over there, right up there on the bluff. And the legend is on a bluff here. And so far, good Governor. Number one. second. Don’t know where I can go and so on, on your way. And. And we’ve got there and we we get it right on the right on the money.

00;20;06;04 - 00;20;20;15 Speaker 2 But you see, that is the part of the monument there. I they, when they put it in. Not sure but actually the rocks coming down through there and so on and what that all.

00;20;20;17 - 00;20;27;19 Speaker 4 What did they chisel any of the rock with. Rock chisel. I mean something or other.

00;20;27;26 - 00;20;29;29 Speaker 5 Or whatever is painted on it.

00;20;30;01 - 00;20;33;26 Speaker 4 And I mean but the original they weren’t rock chisel on the original.

00;20;34;05 - 00;20;50;24 Speaker 2 yeah. they come up near a kid right into a good big fat rock, but not many of the they cornered on it right.

00;20;50;26 - 00;20;56;11 Speaker 3 Where did they go? I mean, so when you when you bought the place.

00;20;57;04 - 00;21;23;20 Speaker 2 they’re right here. But you frame that right here and then you went up the creek on a trip A and that was started in the neighborhood too early and I didn’t want to be in go living in that little house there and for a long time I wouldn’t I couldn’t find it hard. Well, I know where it passes for but that I you just put him up that way.

00;21;23;20 - 00;21;47;02 Speaker 2 You know, the keep him from going in that that when it got even 93 years ago when you get one and I didn’t take care of himself and get around but they come in and get them so I had them so I packed them up in there with their bring right it on, you know, we’ll get it right here.

00;21;47;04 - 00;22;21;04 Speaker 2 They already know one go off and it’ll come up a little bit and then they’ll drop back down and that’s when it’s daylight. But bring them up and know you want around, right. If you’re not gonna be down here in another Great. And when you left that now that little thing that in front of mind if I don’t come back and everything at your and if it wasn’t in the cabin I forget where it was but it was someplace outside the camp.

00;22;21;07 - 00;22;46;03 Speaker 2 And so you get he got one on the way up the great change conditioning and everything you got going on in the morning, take him out and then they could take water until that little tramp at the bottom got that had all the paper going away back.

00;22;46;06 - 00;22;48;25 Unknown Do you still have them? yeah.

00;22;48;27 - 00;23;04;20 Speaker 2 I’m just waiting kind of over University one they take care of. Yeah, on those, right. They don’t go to them growing where they stay right here and, and okay.

00;23;04;22 - 00;23;08;27 Speaker 4 What, where did he come from?

00;23;08;29 - 00;23;17;22 Speaker 2 Well, I don’t know. Either he was born in this country or not. But, you know, the welfare.

00;23;17;24 - 00;23;20;04 Speaker 3 Mostly trapping early.

00;23;20;06 - 00;23;28;25 Speaker 2 In he was of small stature. He was probably five, seven.

00;23;28;28 - 00;23;36;07 Unknown And about 135 and.

00;23;36;09 - 00;23;42;03 Speaker 2 But one thing that he really had a sharp eye he could figure out back in the ninth grade.

00;23;42;05 - 00;23;46;19 Unknown Right here you.

00;23;46;19 - 00;23;50;24 Speaker 5 Town how he came into the country.

00;23;50;26 - 00;23;54;09 Speaker 2 Well, do you want to know your poor brown?

00;23;54;14 - 00;23;55;26 Speaker 4 Yeah, I.

00;23;55;29 - 00;24;33;16 Speaker 2 Well, he was a Civil War veteran and he told me, you see, he was very hard of hearing. But I come down there of evenings and you sit down and he can’t talk. And that’s the way I. I gathered up all of it and he said that he was in the trenches before Vicksburg to see the Vicksburg with Wild Bill Hickok and the that the there were no it get one legend and Wild Bill Hickok that really showed you with a pit bull arrival.

00;24;33;16 - 00;25;00;13 Speaker 2 It didn’t make any difference which one and they told me that well and from there I don’t know about the Spanish-American War, but I think he was in that too. But I, I couldn’t be positive on that. But then he was in the Indian War and the battle, the Little Bighorn, when they massacred the whole Custer outfit. Why?

00;25;00;13 - 00;25;40;02 Speaker 2 The only reason he was alive. He was a scout with Indian. And they came in, of course, to get after the Indians. That and left. And there wasn’t very good looking side. But he said there’s one thing that the Indian didn’t do. They didn’t go country and yeah, that beautiful they evidently growing golden hair and then they were then here on the ship captain and he was going in and damnation green and which through to you and they ambushed them right up here.

00;25;40;04 - 00;26;20;14 Speaker 2 If you know where the whole barbwire look you can still see over the all the I’m of it cross banquet grub banquet from one bar to the other amidst the blood and the Indians ambushed them up there and the Indians were in the rock waiting for them again. By the time they got in the middle of the creek, some of them and some of them out on the bank, why they opened up on the Indian, that gun, you know, do that and said that they the guns were all black powder, of course, and pretty little timbered bottom there and the the pit there we found it and then somebody come along, discovered it, wrecked it,

00;26;20;14 - 00;26;52;24 Speaker 2 dug it all out, looking for stuff there. And the part nervous was kind of temple thing, you know, and how they see it. But evidently somebody trained in that sort of situation. And anyhow that they they wanted to get a hold of your dad and but smoke got to take them they couldn’t see each other so the Indian it up and they sat and looked at him when the fireworks started that I held back that little bit.

00;26;52;27 - 00;27;01;09 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. Man. Eating them out and then expanded out to try to get them up.

00;27;01;09 - 00;27;02;19 Speaker 3 Come down the bottom, the creek.

00;27;02;21 - 00;27;32;12 Speaker 2 Down on the bridge where they’d have a gap while they get out there and they retreated back up on the burning trail and where they the two crippled And as they one little overnight there they they didn’t pick up any water dig up there. Well I’ve gone to the grave but Corbin and right after you know and and anyhow they got up on Vinegar Hill.

00;27;32;12 - 00;27;38;29 Speaker 2 Well I had some vinegar so they drank that and that’s where Vinegar Hill got back.

00;27;39;02 - 00;27;42;04 Unknown And that’s why we got too much vinegar. And again.

00;27;42;06 - 00;28;03;17 Speaker 2 And that’s where they’ve got the idea that country and then Utah this country and then he came here and they live here off and on and then he’d be over South Park or over on the main dam and bend over and then he’d, but they all had drifted back here and they finally Byler homestead on it. Yeah.

00;28;03;23 - 00;28;06;03 Speaker 2 That, that in 1927.

00;28;06;05 - 00;28;09;02 Speaker 4 But when did you know when he first came here.

00;28;09;05 - 00;28;14;13 Speaker 2 Well, the 1879 out of the, the campaign of the campaign.

00;28;14;15 - 00;28;19;08 Speaker 4 But then when he first, you know, this spot started parties, I.

00;28;19;10 - 00;28;23;14 Speaker 2 Don’t know that I’ve ever been out of not out of thin air, that he was probably like I.

00;28;23;14 - 00;28;25;11 Speaker 5 Would go.

00;28;25;14 - 00;28;49;10 Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, they’d go quick down here for a while. And they old if you look down here, you can see they’ll be the old cabin. It burned down but you can see where he had a stone fireplace near the left, the trail just this side of the creek. I’ve never been down there and, well, you know, it’s probably 50 feet back this way in the creek and maybe all that far off of the trail.

00;28;49;13 - 00;29;11;27 Speaker 2 And you can be up there, you know, pretty well growing over that. You can make it out. And then he he finally came up here and the old original cabin here was over. That used to be a cellar there where it all filled with crash and stuff. Now, there and there was a building over that. But while there, it burned down here.

00;29;11;29 - 00;29;13;10 Speaker 2 And we’ve got pictures of that.

00;29;13;10 - 00;29;17;25 Speaker 4 I think somewhere near that, along with some of the hides, the coyotes on it.

00;29;17;27 - 00;29;39;27 Speaker 5 No, no, no. That was the cabin was there. And, I think we have those pictures in town. I put them in the we had made pictures and and also put it back out so thermal. And so they when we got all they didn’t.

00;29;40;00 - 00;29;45;17 Speaker 2 Show children, they set up this monument or Soldier bar over private eighth.

00;29;45;17 - 00;29;46;29 Speaker 3 Grade.

00;29;47;01 - 00;30;26;14 Speaker 2 And we’ve got the we, we’ve got all of that either in writing or in picture. I got the old original map of it printed very here that was drawn by a lieutenant, and this part of it came in here too. So they, it, they made it, I think, a two, three, three print in here. By the time I got sheet beaten over here on the end of that boot creek, it had the battle bar and, and they split out of there.

00;30;26;14 - 00;30;51;24 Speaker 2 But this, this data is all on that map. That’s an everyday skirmish here. soldier, your bar here, and it’s, it’s all written out very fine, but nice handwriting on that map. There’s a whole history of your campaign blueprints. Yeah. And then we’ve got a little tiny, old original.

00;30;52;06 - 00;30;52;25 Speaker 4 you did?

00;30;52;27 - 00;31;06;22 Speaker 2 Yeah. And, so what if they. The data that matches the accurate, That’s all we’re doing. Exactly.

00;31;06;25 - 00;31;14;00 Speaker 2 But the whole history of the Jupiter campaign is on that map.

00;31;14;02 - 00;31;22;02 Speaker 3 Sounds like you got a lot of resources. A person could use them. All right, I got an interpretive program for the.

00;31;22;04 - 00;31;48;15 Speaker 2 Yeah, And then he was Cougar, a student on one of his Cougar Day, and they were the same year. And he told me at one time the state already and $800 in bounty. Well, I kept the cougar in check in here. It wasn’t really the central land because we had thousands of deer. But in the early days now it should be your campaign.

00;31;48;18 - 00;32;16;13 Speaker 2 You heard all mountain shaking. You. not true. And that’s what the sheet beaters practically lived on. And and that’s where they it his name Brian. But you know, in the 1880s where we had that disease it went through the the sheep not here but everywhere and practically wiped the sheep herd down clear around the corner and now they made a pretty good comeback.

00;32;16;15 - 00;32;23;14 Speaker 2 But at one time the sheep was a very low population in here.

00;32;23;17 - 00;32;24;28 Speaker 4 Was that longhorn?

00;32;25;01 - 00;33;14;21 Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, look at the same sheep. Yeah, we got it. My notebook, The declarative, primitive area where I know that people are allowed within the boundary. But if you imagine that the these places that were in here should remain in here and that they act strange or a part of the, of the deal and so on, that, that more than maybe we have the memory of that name and then they are however the best made to administer the prairie very, very to the state mine.

00;33;14;23 - 00;33;21;02 Speaker 3 What was the first settlement on the creek, The first homestead, You know that.

00;33;21;04 - 00;33;31;06 Speaker 2 Where I imagine that there was Homestead earlier than a couple of days. Perry lived here for quite a while before he filed.

00;33;31;08 - 00;33;39;14 Speaker 5 That remainder of the on his told us that this was occupied by the Globe Brothers.

00;33;39;16 - 00;33;52;16 Speaker 2 And that had been 1903. That was the time of the end of the do in mind of your thunder Mom Thunder Mountain days.

00;33;52;18 - 00;33;55;06 Speaker 3 Both brothers are actually on this side.

00;33;55;08 - 00;34;06;16 Speaker 5 That’s what he told us and that Dave lived down at no country. Then when they left this that he came up here.

00;34;06;18 - 00;34;45;22 Speaker 2 But Dave was here in in 1903 because, this built him, gave us all that information. What they would do. See, there was no higher speed up the Thunder Mountain. Well, you probably don’t know or know what it looked like up there trying to place right out of monumental air. And so they would come down here, bring the ice cream, or probably two or three of them and killed or were made it was they were down near them and they got up there and then they bring their ice cream back down here during the winter.

00;34;45;24 - 00;34;52;02 Speaker 2 And that was the, over the situation.

00;34;52;04 - 00;34;54;24 Speaker 3 But, and the other.

00;34;54;27 - 00;34;56;10 Speaker 5 Cabin crew and.

00;34;56;12 - 00;35;02;06 Speaker 3 Some of the others that along the way, one way those that, you know.

00;35;02;09 - 00;35;04;29 Speaker 5 I have any idea, I don’t know.

00;35;05;02 - 00;35;12;14 Speaker 2 But you did it all then of the same time of the brothers who are here, not the unremarked they.

00;35;14;27 - 00;35;19;22 Speaker 5 the Cabin Creek was occupied by. People were never going here.

00;35;19;25 - 00;35;20;19 Speaker 2 No, no.

00;35;20;19 - 00;35;26;28 Speaker 5 And around what was the man’s name.

00;35;27;01 - 00;35;30;25 Speaker 4 Wasn’t behind Bell Heimer, You know, no.

00;35;30;28 - 00;35;33;20 Speaker 2 Matter who you were, was were on the.

00;35;33;22 - 00;35;53;27 Speaker 4 Mountain, you know, in Jack Wenzel. No, at Dixie. They were down the mountain for a mile. And they’ve got.

00;35;53;29 - 00;35;56;06 Speaker 5 That tree that’s born.

00;35;56;08 - 00;36;03;26 Speaker 2 When we got right back to camp, I.

00;36;03;29 - 00;36;17;17 Speaker 5 You know, I’ve never been here all the time. I’ve done a lot of grocery shopping over there, know the just far away 65 miles.

00;36;17;19 - 00;36;25;23 Speaker 3 To find someone out there trying to figure out yesterday who you might get and have just done to me. She’s got a smile. Just like Judy.

00;36;25;24 - 00;36;29;05 Speaker 4 People and eyes. You know.

00;36;29;06 - 00;36;32;06 Speaker 5 I don’t know if you’ve met people. Yes. You was here, you know.

00;36;32;07 - 00;36;36;12 Speaker 4 That’s right. And I just know it. You talk the same.

00;36;36;13 - 00;36;39;29 Speaker 3 Security that I do. It. Is this the thing.

00;36;39;29 - 00;36;41;01 Speaker 5 That makes you real.

00;36;41;01 - 00;36;42;27 Speaker 3 People? That she’s a darling person.

00;36;43;03 - 00;36;44;27 Speaker 2 Of the country?

00;36;45;22 - 00;37;06;14 Speaker 5 no. Who is the man who is going by the world?

00;37;06;16 - 00;37;07;03 Unknown I don’t know.

00;37;07;03 - 00;37;20;29 Speaker 2 The one that man up there. And they were one of the bones that came the and I.

00;37;21;01 - 00;37;24;10 Speaker 3 Had the gory side.

00;37;24;12 - 00;37;26;12 Speaker 5 Right.

00;37;26;14 - 00;37;57;03 Speaker 2 Way to tramp around this ranch came about. They blew up that three administrators and. That’s why they out either the active one that or the woman that original work but one and so we drew up an agreement when I was in there in the spring and I gave Dave $500 that you want to 1200 dollars for this place.

00;37;57;06 - 00;38;29;08 Speaker 2 And now, the the commitment all by get your get there met your administrator in year one up and with the proper papers and I’ll give you the money will complete the deal in November and I was the one of them at a ranch over there and so this while each camp came down they had the papers and we got everything all mixed up, legal.

00;38;29;08 - 00;39;20;17 Speaker 2 And he’d had a feud up here with the proper name. While that or what. No, no, bear nowhere. And he was littering up here in what they call low bear base. And now it’s the first ring on right up here, above here. But, well, now, up the creek near that panther. Well, we got this all fixed up and while they had these papers in his back and he took out of the creek and he got up there and I guess, I don’t know, was that argument or not?

00;39;20;17 - 00;39;24;13 Speaker 2 But when he turned to go, we’ve been talking with Loba over our shot in the back of the head, the.

00;39;24;13 - 00;39;27;09 Speaker 4 3030.

00;39;27;11 - 00;40;14;25 Speaker 2 And that clip that kind of stopped the transfer. The papers right there, you know. Right. And this low bar came down here, just walked the other day, the cabin down there. And matter of fact that I just a low bar or I did believe that. And so we had telephones all over the country then called they got word to the sheriff and and gave and in due time they came in and out the body and I, I called the sheriff and said, would you please regard those papers when you open the steps back and forth with the army and that I know him and he was acquainted with me and he said, Yeah, I would

00;40;14;25 - 00;40;20;12 Speaker 2 do that. You know, that’s the way that they do it. Place where we.

00;40;20;13 - 00;40;23;27 Speaker 4 Carter what happened the low where.

00;40;24;00 - 00;40;31;21 Speaker 2 They put him in and.

00;40;31;24 - 00;40;35;16 Speaker 3 Find out why they did.

00;40;35;19 - 00;40;38;07 Speaker 4 Did they ever find out why he shot him?

00;40;38;19 - 00;40;55;20 Speaker 2 well, they’ve been a little couple. I think maybe they stepped on a little tiny little barbed wire or something along those lines, you know.

00;40;55;22 - 00;40;56;28 Speaker 4 And I get get go.

00;40;57;00 - 00;41;03;17 Speaker 5 But nothing happened, you know, And like, it’s the same.

00;41;03;20 - 00;41;09;13 Speaker 4 Yeah. And then they can their.

00;41;09;15 - 00;41;14;11 Speaker 5 Except now you just don’t hear me.

00;41;14;13 - 00;41;15;03 Speaker 2 I know. Yes.

00;41;15;03 - 00;41;16;24 Speaker 3 Not quite as quickly.

00;41;16;27 - 00;41;27;07 Speaker 2 And then you want to stand up a little farther. You’re why I was building homes up in both in. don’t put that. yeah.

00;41;27;09 - 00;41;28;04 Speaker 3 I think it.

00;41;28;06 - 00;41;42;14 Speaker 4 Well before we hit that when you came in here now you said you had a ranch or in a prison, right? Yeah. You know, what was it about this country, you know, or this area that.

00;41;42;16 - 00;42;15;26 Speaker 2 Well, I’ve been in here the fall before. honey, The part came in the back. I was hanging from a dope. I wasn’t guiding anybody. And when we when we came in from Samurai on Fort Sam River played very far and down through the Yellowjacket and down Camas Creek, down the middle park, now through here, headed for Chamberlain base.

00;42;15;26 - 00;42;41;17 Speaker 2 And then we had going for the Salmon River over there and out the other way you had swing or you didn’t, you didn’t, you didn’t forum. But there’s no boat that you could use to transport your transport your gear across and through anywhere along your. I heard these hounds barking over here and I never paid much attention to it but and I got think about it.

00;42;41;20 - 00;43;13;00 Speaker 2 And one thing that interests me about the time BLM started well labored, it didn’t look good to me because it looked to me like the little fellow was on the way out. I had bandages and that he had a gal getting pretty good start and quite a few hawks. And so I decided it was about deep enough and then the next spring I came in here with a saddle or.

00;43;13;07 - 00;43;56;22 Speaker 2 Yeah, so that and thank you. I came up Morgan Creek over 11 feet of snow, literally. I pulled right up on the other side. and stayed with a ranger there. And then I went over the next morning while the folks in Great. Yeah. And, and I, I can’t recall where they moved around a little bit and ask you on fell place and that Yes you did and I said well what do you want for that 1200 dollar And so I said okay I gave him for 500, I said, I’ll be back in this fall.

00;43;56;24 - 00;44;15;09 Speaker 2 And then we went ahead with the deal. And that’s what I come to buy. And it wasn’t a bad deal, know, I never done anything with it until later or 48 or nine, but I kept it all.

00;44;15;09 - 00;44;16;00 Speaker 3 Those years and it was.

00;44;16;00 - 00;44;22;04 Speaker 2 Always somebody here staying here, the caretaker, so on.

00;44;22;07 - 00;44;27;07 Speaker 5 Whiskey here.

00;44;27;09 - 00;44;32;00 Speaker 4 Where they pack their coin, you.

00;44;32;02 - 00;44;39;19 Speaker 5 Know, anything like that or know that they can give it there.

00;44;39;22 - 00;44;49;10 Speaker 4 Now was that in what time span was that when they know little brother here.

00;44;49;12 - 00;45;16;27 Speaker 2 Well it was in the fall of it was in the fall of 33 that I was in here hunting in the spring of 34 that I came in and talked to Dave about buying the place. And then that fall of 35, why the table was completed.

00;45;17;00 - 00;45;23;28 Speaker 4 That was when low bar of a shot fallen 35. Now the whiskey making, was.

00;45;24;01 - 00;45;32;06 Speaker 5 That the thing? I was in the picture then? Now I don’t know. But you know, it was when you told me when Tex Martin was here.

00;45;32;08 - 00;45;56;04 Speaker 2 Yeah. Tex Martin would that year. And that he was probably a pretty high grade bootlegger, and they’d make the whiskey in here. I could see the factory could come in with a load of sugar and water they made to make this whiskey. And basically old still up here in the garage. And when we cleaned the creek out, we got 750 gallon barrel down.

00;45;56;06 - 00;46;14;08 Speaker 2 You know, they, they had gone to go and then they laid back the whiskey up and then the little barrels, you know, and one on each side of the pack on and go out and the evidently the shaking all the time they got out Right. You know.

00;46;14;10 - 00;46;15;05 Speaker 5 Yeah.

00;46;15;08 - 00;46;17;11 Speaker 2 But anyhow they got.

00;46;17;13 - 00;46;17;28 Speaker 5 Here.

00;46;18;00 - 00;46;47;27 Speaker 2 And it’s snowstorm a little bit later on profile and they had the had to take the whiskey out and hit the snow and somebody sent the pack or they had man on that end of it. That was better than that. The snow was going off up there and then barrel again. they had to go up and salvage it Could be in pretty good shape then, you know.

00;46;47;29 - 00;46;53;20 Speaker 2 But anyhow, that was good whiskey and had it during bootleg days and that would Yeah, I guess get your stuff and boys.

00;46;53;20 - 00;46;55;12 Speaker 3 One of the guys that was caretaking.

00;46;55;12 - 00;47;14;17 Speaker 2 For you. Yeah. But anyhow I think quite a lot of was concerned right here on the evidently got a little too much consumption of the product up here and they let the fire get away from the.

00;47;14;19 - 00;47;16;09 Speaker 3 Rock.

00;47;16;12 - 00;47;27;28 Speaker 2 They called the Foreign Service out at the end of the fire going down there and they thought that one good. So they go right back and we got our under control, the telephone and you.

00;47;28;00 - 00;47;28;12 Speaker 4 The.

00;47;28;14 - 00;47;42;03 Speaker 2 Clarity of any word anywhere by relaying a bigger get guard we get Doc 130 and but that is that was going to be quite a deal.

00;47;42;05 - 00;47;47;29 Speaker 3 Overt now we’re at well part of the brush up here is the still base.

00;47;48;01 - 00;47;53;15 Speaker 2 Just above your cabin right there in the.

00;47;53;18 - 00;47;55;27 Speaker 3 AM. I have to get out and walk around.

00;47;56;00 - 00;47;57;27 Speaker 2 I don’t think anybody saw down.

00;47;58;00 - 00;48;01;09 Speaker 5 Well, it may have been in that original cougar camp.

00;48;01;12 - 00;48;05;03 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. The wildlife probably that night that.

00;48;05;06 - 00;48;10;02 Speaker 5 The original cougar that was back of the old farmhouse.

00;48;10;04 - 00;48;16;29 Speaker 2 Yeah. I didn’t blow that.

00;48;17;01 - 00;48;43;29 Speaker 4 We had a similar instance over in the shell way. There was a fellow named Gal Shear who made a pretty good bird, you know, hit back it out of either the Elk City or the Derby, depending upon the snow is now a real bad in the Bitterroot. So I then had go to hitting with yeah, that I take one of the fellows that had a homestead down below him about 15.

00;48;43;29 - 00;48;46;06 Speaker 2 Miles and.

00;48;46;09 - 00;48;57;21 Speaker 4 Used to pack and feel you talk about and you know you go and you bring in the crack corn and sugar. I’m wondering if you went on the back trip here.

00;48;57;21 - 00;48;58;01 Speaker 5 Yeah.

00;48;58;08 - 00;49;02;11 Speaker 4 Back there by they’d go out with stuff.

00;49;02;13 - 00;49;05;18 Speaker 2 Well, that’s the way they work in here.

00;49;05;20 - 00;49;43;14 Speaker 4 Where there are many of the that you know of, of the either original or the second owners of some of these homesteads that were married because there were only 17 homesteads over in this country. There were only two that were married. They were all single men, you know. And when you read all Pettibone Diary in 1913, 14, 15, you know, that all come together at Christmas, you know, and then you have a big, big Christmas feed, you know, surprising those fellows who really put up the food, you know?

00;49;43;16 - 00;49;44;24 Speaker 4 Well.

00;49;44;26 - 00;49;52;15 Speaker 2 I’m sure I had occasion to do, That is the. The original homestead.

00;49;52;16 - 00;49;53;14 Speaker 4 Yeah.

00;49;53;16 - 00;50;10;11 Speaker 2 Or that they changed hands. Why? There was a woman next, and there’s Bellingham next in a portion of the Cabin Creek up here and the Missoula. And Blackie wasn’t even ranger in here for a good many years. They owned the back. And then there it was. It was.

00;50;10;17 - 00;50;11;01 Speaker 5 Like, you.

00;50;11;01 - 00;50;11;27 Speaker 2 Know.

00;50;11;29 - 00;50;12;21 Speaker 5 That was like.

00;50;12;21 - 00;50;15;17 Speaker 2 Yeah, that wasn’t back in the.

00;50;15;19 - 00;50;18;19 Speaker 4 In they had been around in the thirties or so.

00;50;18;22 - 00;50;44;10 Speaker 2 Yeah. however Blackie did part of Homestead to take up a block of country right between the two bombings up there, but that is at a later date and really didn’t amount to particularly not to hear that anyone.

00;50;44;12 - 00;50;46;28 Speaker 5 Enjoyed talking to would be members of.

00;50;46;28 - 00;50;49;21 Speaker 4 Our court where she lived.

00;50;49;24 - 00;51;29;09 Speaker 5 Well, she lives in Berkeley and her name is now Mrs. Lester. Kind of, but I think it’s listed in the Thornburg and Jane or Curtis and Jane or RR. That was her maiden name. Curtis. And they live on now Five Mile Road.

00;51;29;12 - 00;51;42;05 Speaker 4 And maybe what we could do sometimes come down, you know, and, to real quickly what I’ve done over on the Salt Lake country, I’ve got,

00;51;44;02 - 00;51;45;09 Unknown over 900.

00;51;45;11 - 00;52;04;26 Speaker 4 Historical photographs, and I photocopied, so I know what I If you don’t have a negative, then what I do is I, I photograph that again. And if I know the date of the photographer, my I’ve got pictures that go back to 1889 on there.

00;52;04;28 - 00;52;13;14 Speaker 5 And, right here there are many pictures like that in the, in the group that they this.

00;52;13;16 - 00;52;17;05 Speaker 4 Now I wonder if there are any they use negatives here.

00;52;17;08 - 00;52;19;12 Speaker 5 No, I didn’t find any negatives at.

00;52;19;12 - 00;52;24;23 Speaker 4 All and well I can photocopy you.

00;52;24;25 - 00;52;25;05 Speaker 3 Already.

00;52;25;10 - 00;52;42;24 Speaker 5 Taken you know, you wouldn’t have taken the pictures. You taken my seven. The Johnson has spoken. I mean, there is a photographer’s. yeah, I’ve been very. This would have been the father or the son operating.

00;52;42;27 - 00;52;50;13 Speaker 2 Yeah, I was with a schoolteacher.

00;52;50;16 - 00;52;56;08 Speaker 5 And she kept many diary.

00;52;56;10 - 00;52;59;25 Speaker 3 I could.

00;52;59;27 - 00;53;06;22 Speaker 5 Yeah. And you would have a lot of authentic information.

00;53;06;24 - 00;53;36;08 Speaker 4 Now, she was a cabin crew. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I interrupted you earlier. when I asked you about, you know, how you became interested in this area when you came over from the samurai, and then you started to say something about, Boise. So your wife didn’t want you to take.

00;53;36;11 - 00;53;40;18 Speaker 5 I mean, how we met new material?

00;53;40;18 - 00;53;46;10 Unknown I don’t know. Part of it. Well, I don’t know.

00;53;46;10 - 00;54;06;06 Speaker 2 Whether the material or not between to that. All right. barely. The now and I was only 15 years old when I started Project.

00;54;06;08 - 00;54;27;16 Speaker 4 Now, you, were in the contracting business there in Boise at that time? yeah well, from the time you quit ranching, had you been in building before when you were ranching or before you’re ranching? Yeah.

00;54;27;18 - 00;54;53;17 Speaker 2 I went out of here in 35, and that winter I went up the mountain there in Bata and got a job. But, I had a Denver framer out there. That’s when I had calculated that pride, not mine, were going full back and they were right on the apex of this big deposit of copper and a lot of rhetoric.

00;54;53;20 - 00;55;18;24 Speaker 2 They never even smell it. They get blown up and ship it out. And I was out there for nine months and then the mining deal started blowing down. They’ve got the better copper out of there. And then I came back my and that guard who worked for a contractor there, I decided I want to be a carpenter. I’m already a dump ship carpenter.

00;55;18;26 - 00;55;31;16 Speaker 2 A certain apprenticeship shipped from the shipyard in Army during World War One. And that’s where I learned to you that narrow wooden ship and.

00;55;31;18 - 00;55;33;15 Speaker 4 I was one.

00;55;33;17 - 00;55;36;02 Speaker 5 000.

00;55;36;04 - 00;56;02;15 Speaker 2 And so that’s where I got in the background there. And then I work for this, contractor in there. I and two more by it. And my contract is the, is gonna work on each out and then things flow metal and people ask me to build homes for them. So I decided, well, I know home for him and I was getting very good.

00;56;02;15 - 00;56;26;25 Speaker 2 But I am the cause is the I won’t settle for anything less than perfection. That’s always been my, my deal. And she, she accused me of being perfection taken at one time, and she got mad and said, Well, honey, that’s the kind of thing you ever said. Yeah, but.

00;56;26;28 - 00;56;33;28 Speaker 5 I mean, you know, there are.

00;56;34;00 - 00;57;04;00 Speaker 2 That. Anyhow, I went the building out and I built right up to the time of the war in 1942. I went to war and gone through year and I was on Eichmann part of the time and around. Levick Yeah, right. They rebuilt that gap, the big airport up there to hear much about. I know got.

00;57;04;03 - 00;57;05;05 Speaker 5 And.

00;57;05;07 - 00;57;39;25 Speaker 2 Yeah, then my when I came home I, I started doing it get no problem I lost contacts. but it was the I wasn’t taken to the, the pressure. So I had this place, I had all these here, and I even got offered one to buy it when I was on. Either they even got an offer from the doctor up there, and, so I decided to build this one house on the lot and round up everything.

00;57;39;25 - 00;58;16;01 Speaker 2 I hadn’t put a real nice home on it, and I couldn’t come in here and cheaper than the real estate business and came by and left the house and, that’s right. That’s all I remember. And so she didn’t know how I finally. And I told her what I was gonna do and that. Well, don’t you want to cook?

00;58;16;01 - 00;58;21;04 Speaker 2 Well, that was pretty plain. In order to either put up or run one or to do.

00;58;21;06 - 00;58;25;17 Speaker 5 You know, Right. I don’t care about anybody. Zero.

00;58;25;24 - 00;58;39;20 Speaker 2 Yeah, that’s not my never keep any better be them. But, I was going make a favorable impression, and so I did, but I did, though I told her.

00;58;39;23 - 00;58;44;13 Unknown What I’m going to do, and I told the.

00;58;44;15 - 00;59;02;06 Speaker 2 One never a woman could go for it and that I was coming in with.

Jess Taylor and Dorothy Taylor Interview #5 Part 2, 11/06/1974 [transcript]

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;11;24 Speaker 1 A cooling off period to figure this thing all out. They didn’t take it over. Well, when I got back the airport here waiting on her car.

00;00;11;25 - 00;00;15;27 Speaker 2 So now they’re.

00;00;15;29 - 00;00;22;02 Speaker 1 So then we came in here on our honeymoon to start this place. We flew around over the crime bill, took us on quite a.

00;00;22;02 - 00;00;23;00 Speaker 3 Good.

00;00;23;03 - 00;00;26;13 Speaker 1 Ship and lay all that country and the game in there.

00;00;26;13 - 00;00;28;26 Speaker 3 And that’s when we started to work on this place.

00;00;28;28 - 00;00;32;04 Speaker 4 Now, what were your first impressions? You know.

00;00;32;06 - 00;00;34;16 Speaker 3 You just did that.

00;00;34;19 - 00;00;36;29 Speaker 5 I looked at the house and I wondered.

00;00;37;02 - 00;00;40;28 Speaker 3 At.

00;00;41;00 - 00;01;05;22 Speaker 5 What you were going to do, but we were going to sleep looking at how we were going to eat with the couple that we were in the house. And he was a good kid. That was all fine. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. They had a young baby and I couldn’t stay, but we never did to live in the house.

00;01;05;24 - 00;01;06;22 Speaker 5 Yeah, I.

00;01;06;25 - 00;01;08;19 Speaker 1 Know. Yeah.

00;01;08;21 - 00;01;20;02 Speaker 5 And we lived in the farm for, I mean, the very next year alone, we were better. Are we from there? Can’t hire people at. Yeah, you can. Can’t stay.

00;01;20;05 - 00;01;21;13 Speaker 3 So.

00;01;21;15 - 00;01;28;22 Speaker 5 Women all over the world get their due prices. Hard work. If you could.

00;01;28;25 - 00;01;30;29 Speaker 3 How in life? How did you like living here?

00;01;31;09 - 00;01;43;11 Speaker 5 I enjoyed the yard. All right. I. Yeah. To live here and out of town. Not there. Never lived around outside like this. But you are.

00;01;43;13 - 00;01;44;07 Speaker 3 You were.

00;01;44;09 - 00;01;44;18 Speaker 5 Actor.

00;01;44;24 - 00;01;46;22 Speaker 4 You were born and raised around Boise then?

00;01;46;25 - 00;01;50;14 Speaker 5 No, I was born in Iowa. I had lived in Montana.

00;01;50;21 - 00;01;54;00 Speaker 4 Camp my part down there.

00;01;54;14 - 00;02;09;21 Speaker 5 I don’t know. Then I lived in eastern Idaho, where I was married, had my family, and I was after my husband died that I came to work with, I said.

00;02;09;23 - 00;02;13;01 Speaker 3 You know what part of eastern Rexburg.

00;02;13;04 - 00;02;26;18 Speaker 5 Anyway, I was one of the rich family. well, you could possibly have lived and you’ve gone. And I don’t know my family.

00;02;26;20 - 00;02;55;21 Speaker 3 Well, of course I had gone. Born. I will initially. just to be grateful, to talk. And that’s the first time I went back. Well, I guess I was about. I know about the time you came here because I moved out of Idaho in 1940, you know, came back six months ago in here.

00;02;55;23 - 00;03;00;13 Speaker 5 And then all your schooling in Utah High School.

00;03;00;16 - 00;03;13;12 Speaker 3 An undergraduate college course in Utah with my graduate work, really pretty. And then.

00;03;13;14 - 00;03;15;01 Speaker 1 I had to have help in grade that.

00;03;15;01 - 00;03;16;27 Speaker 3 Airport.

00;03;17;00 - 00;03;56;13 Speaker 1 I had a big dream. They both over 1800 became a fortune giving, and I had that actually. And I had a 14 inch three eight border plate note put on that, I’ve got a terrific capacity. And this garden plow and dynamite, that was my do. And I but this one by and he would take the good with half that and he could handle that big team and I could handle the Flagstaff and we’d just start the up around about all the high places and we’d get started up around and we get make piles across.

00;03;56;13 - 00;04;21;02 Speaker 1 We’re feeling that way all the time. That slip and I could do a shave there and Roots would get them big rooms. They weren’t too big pride and big with that little dirt. And you’ve come down over town, you shake the root of that. I’d do it. It gone and migrated everybody to that airport that way to 1600 feet.

00;04;21;04 - 00;04;54;16 Speaker 1 And then I, i it, I had gone for a big of a long birch and so they took me back and probably a half a dozen men not being there that handle it and I right right on the front end of it and that or get found out into a big apron like that and I just drag it up and down, maybe just pick up Burton out there, give the old man, well you get them get moving floor,

00;04;54;18 - 00;04;55;28 Speaker 3 Is the sled still around?

00;04;56;05 - 00;04;58;29 Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, right down there. Yeah.

00;04;59;02 - 00;05;01;03 Speaker 3 Yeah. That’s all that. When we.

00;05;01;06 - 00;05;02;11 Speaker 4 When all the sand was out in the.

00;05;02;11 - 00;05;24;11 Speaker 1 Garden. Plowed right out here. Yeah, Yeah. I put, I, I’m a blacksmith long and everything out and I put a, a bar at the from down on the shear here up to the beam sharpened bar like there and it ran on to that big roof. Did you shoot them up. That and you’ve cut them off. Yeah. And I.

00;05;24;17 - 00;05;27;20 Speaker 3 You know for down there.

00;05;27;22 - 00;05;56;17 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. Well it was, it was over there and they weren’t taking care of it and somebody died too hard to do it and broke it off down there and water didn’t bring it all season. So I just gathered up and moved the whole thing over here and then anybody want to do any blacksmithing up there? And I sharpen my pegs and everything, even though and I got me another one.

00;05;56;17 - 00;06;17;12 Speaker 1 And right here in there I’ve got a small farm boy. We got 100 by 325 feet there and I’ve got a small farm back of the house and where that back 135 feet in the street and they’ve got an orchard you’ve got and go and keep me busy. Yeah.

00;06;17;14 - 00;06;22;02 Speaker 3 That’s good to be able to use the water out of the stream and use the water out.

00;06;22;03 - 00;06;31;07 Speaker 1 No, no. We better. Well you know, we’re out and everything. We use everything.

00;06;31;09 - 00;06;36;00 Speaker 3 Well, once you got the cabin built and you lived here year round.

00;06;36;02 - 00;07;12;03 Speaker 1 Practically for the first few years, we’d go out about three months and probably four we’d be in here like the year they, we taking fishermen, that 100 to finance that thing. And we never we never bought anything that we couldn’t make eligible. And when I quit and when I quit contracting, I had the idea what I wanted in the air and I bought all these door and lumber and everything, and we had it piled out.

00;07;12;04 - 00;07;17;27 Speaker 1 Metal. What does that offer the to see the airport? And you couldn’t hardly get in the office.

00;07;17;29 - 00;07;18;10 Speaker 2 Man.

00;07;18;10 - 00;07;32;16 Speaker 1 It’s been very open that airport like five or ten altogether for this town and man we built cabin of the same. I had the flooring everything by now.

00;07;32;16 - 00;07;39;00 Speaker 4 Which one did you build first this and you started this cabin and.

00;07;39;02 - 00;07;45;02 Speaker 1 You know, we cut the logs in the winter of 48.

00;07;45;04 - 00;07;48;22 Speaker 4 49 and move them upstream.

00;07;48;25 - 00;07;58;28 Speaker 1 No, nothing came out of the 1009. But that that was in that cabin down there. They all came out of that locomotive timber bottom.

00;07;58;28 - 00;08;00;20 Speaker 4 Or could you shed these down here.

00;08;00;25 - 00;08;01;09 Speaker 1 yeah.

00;08;01;11 - 00;08;05;04 Speaker 5 It was hard to get one of them.

00;08;05;04 - 00;08;20;24 Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. A drag trail really Goes about a half mile up the canyon course. The upper end of it now is pretty well gone and broken up. You wouldn’t even know it there, but I went into a beautiful stand where I have been better known.

00;08;20;26 - 00;08;42;00 Speaker 5 I could ride the horse. The trail’s too narrow. You can drive it or well, if you’re leaving. But you could stay ahead of me. And I grabbed the heart out with the log and I could take them off down here in the flat. And it ours back up and I think was good, right? maybe four trips a day.

00;08;42;03 - 00;09;12;08 Speaker 1 Yeah. We had logs scattered all over that barn. And I had this road around here growing up here three or time, whatever I could handle and roam right up to get there and frame them, bring them right out on Skid Drive onto the I don’t believe quarter downhill first. And I had to hold them like but after I got a little higher wagon you go out and get brought in there all frame rate no.

00;09;12;11 - 00;09;14;19 Speaker 4 So you did all your training up there.

00;09;14;22 - 00;09;17;20 Speaker 3 Right here on the road, right back up.

00;09;17;23 - 00;09;24;07 Speaker 1 And you bring down that time, You know what I mean? Now they’re probably two or three log in that room for any more.

00;09;24;10 - 00;09;24;29 Speaker 3 Did you.

00;09;24;29 - 00;09;26;29 Speaker 4 Dog in there then while you were working on them or.

00;09;26;29 - 00;09;47;26 Speaker 1 What. Yeah. You know I’ve you level and I had pamphlets set up a 45 degree. I dropped all my 45 degrees now legal archeology to get our you know, no problem.

00;09;47;29 - 00;09;50;21 Speaker 5 I thought we could not do that with a crack.

00;09;50;23 - 00;09;53;24 Speaker 1 Well a lot of my did.

00;09;53;26 - 00;09;58;03 Speaker 5 I get awfully. You can’t you.

00;09;58;06 - 00;10;03;17 Speaker 4 That’s a lot of skill to fight one of those.

00;10;03;19 - 00;10;06;06 Speaker 1 Yeah it is an accurate Yeah.

00;10;06;09 - 00;10;09;22 Speaker 4 Do you have a give joiner one of the long joiner.

00;10;09;24 - 00;10;12;00 Speaker 3 No you just you Charlotte.

00;10;12;01 - 00;10;13;25 Speaker 1 Yeah you.

00;10;13;28 - 00;10;16;01 Speaker 3 Did almost.

00;10;16;03 - 00;10;21;25 Speaker 5 There wasn’t anyone out to do anything or you found some kind of matted combine you didn’t see any.

00;10;21;28 - 00;10;27;21 Speaker 1 No. You had without any back here.

00;10;27;23 - 00;10;29;12 Speaker 3 All the people coming through.

00;10;29;19 - 00;10;33;00 Speaker 5 No there, there weren’t too many. Damn. You know.

00;10;33;00 - 00;10;33;21 Speaker 1 I don’t blame me.

00;10;33;21 - 00;10;34;10 Speaker 5 Yeah.

00;10;34;13 - 00;11;03;10 Speaker 1 Well, there’s been times really when there was more activity in here and there is now. One time there was would be a number of electric coming here. I long and then a big red yellow metal part get go where they all break their and that broke that cycle and then now look at it and how much of that anymore just type they’re going through their home country.

00;11;03;17 - 00;11;09;12 Speaker 4 Well I think that threat to trail now the announcer broke the cycle again.

00;11;09;15 - 00;11;10;29 Speaker 3 Yeah it’s you.

00;11;11;00 - 00;11;16;02 Speaker 4 Know I guess there’s been a couple of trips.

00;11;16;04 - 00;11;17;09 Speaker 1 I’m pretty bad in the guard.

00;11;17;17 - 00;11;19;14 Speaker 4 Yeah, I guess so.

00;11;19;16 - 00;11;21;08 Speaker 1 Yeah, I am Banana I that time.

00;11;21;08 - 00;11;22;11 Speaker 3 It’s real tough.

00;11;22;13 - 00;11;25;05 Speaker 1 But I’m going down with it over. You know.

00;11;25;08 - 00;11;36;23 Speaker 4 Earl was talking about, you know, after all the time, because there were some real nice guy rock masonry, you know, just right down here, just a short life. And that’s all fake now.

00;11;37;02 - 00;11;39;07 Speaker 3 yeah.

00;11;39;09 - 00;11;55;18 Speaker 4 Water took it all out. So he was saying something about coming to him. So your barn just stayed on this side? Yeah, well, you know, and sort of letting that go. I think that’s what, you know.

00;11;55;20 - 00;12;01;08 Speaker 3 They can’t get back. There’s just one bluff down here and you can get.

00;12;01;10 - 00;12;09;17 Speaker 1 Up this side. ABDUL-JABBAR You know, it really take money to do that. And they went there over the top there halfway, got big. And boy.

00;12;09;19 - 00;12;15;25 Speaker 4 You you talking about crossing the road, have to build one bridge.

00;12;15;27 - 00;12;22;15 Speaker 3 Think they’ll to bring it? I don’t know where he would be going.

00;12;22;18 - 00;12;24;23 Speaker 4 And I tell you I haven’t been down here.

00;12;24;23 - 00;12;30;00 Speaker 1 To go they never had downgraded started.

00;12;30;00 - 00;12;31;14 Speaker 3 From from here.

00;12;31;17 - 00;12;53;23 Speaker 1 And soldier bar but there was one guard and told your bar to go to work quick round through it out blast. Well to give that up but they come down they could be a trail shot through there. Sure. But it’d be quite piece these construction work. But it, it’s solid rock and it must be half mile per mile.

00;12;53;26 - 00;12;56;07 Speaker 4 And I’m going to have to go down.

00;12;56;09 - 00;12;57;18 Speaker 3 To the.

00;12;57;21 - 00;12;59;22 Speaker 4 Well pay the guard sometime.

00;12;59;22 - 00;13;00;29 Speaker 3 I’ll just take a look.

00;13;01;02 - 00;13;11;13 Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I did a lot of work on it, you know, and I figured they had it. But I get this water Got the high this year, then just, well, probably goofy about work every minute before.

00;13;11;15 - 00;13;17;14 Speaker 3 I don’t know. Did did Stan bring his the stock up that way. Yeah.

00;13;17;17 - 00;13;23;20 Speaker 1 I don’t know how it came in What at one time that already might have come Sam down in the daughter down here.

00;13;23;20 - 00;13;32;05 Speaker 3 Yeah I Well I wish that they were. I have a hard time getting the doctor there at all. In fact, I met a while. I was in here. Still had, you.

00;13;32;08 - 00;13;36;19 Speaker 1 Know, they could have got out on that. I knew I wouldn’t know it for that.

00;13;36;22 - 00;13;39;16 Speaker 3 It was a place to go down there to wash it out.

00;13;39;16 - 00;13;44;23 Speaker 1 But I don’t think there’s any place there would what you could probably go up over it, but if it had.

00;13;44;25 - 00;13;56;04 Speaker 3 I know there was a back. I ran into a backpacker down there and he said he just had a heck of a time myself getting over one place there on the trail, on board.

00;13;56;07 - 00;13;58;15 Speaker 1 I’m going to number over.

00;13;58;18 - 00;14;00;17 Speaker 3 That’s a nice walk down there.

00;14;00;19 - 00;14;01;13 Speaker 1 Yeah.

00;14;01;15 - 00;14;17;05 Speaker 5 He’s currently. did you make most of your friends? You? I made it up.

00;14;17;07 - 00;14;22;19 Speaker 3 Because you made the same bed over there.

00;14;22;22 - 00;14;32;24 Speaker 5 I’m right there. And this is pretty without the head behind you. But it’s so remember, world.

00;14;32;27 - 00;15;04;01 Speaker 1 Got me when we got in the death, and it was a fabric, you know, And we had a boy here, but the name are off again. And they that they sat with the motor, whatever they wanted out of it. Get that sitting out there. And they said, you know it pretty well over towards the edge and just the thought he said, you know, I’d be I’ll good out, cut that thing up and rolled over the had there and then maybe we get a metal in there.

00;15;04;04 - 00;15;11;06 Speaker 2 Well they can scare them off.

00;15;11;09 - 00;15;28;21 Speaker 1 These Indian running here they were all picked up here and in town. We have probably gone out of here. I mean perfect. Yeah. And they’re all set to come in here, you know? Perfect girl. Yeah. Yeah.

00;15;28;24 - 00;15;32;24 Speaker 4 And you say they were found here and not. Not down the river.

00;15;32;28 - 00;15;40;18 Speaker 1 All right? You’re not right here on the airstrip. The first time that you’ll be blind campaign here.

00;15;40;18 - 00;15;41;21 Speaker 3 There’s a lot of gambling.

00;15;41;21 - 00;15;46;15 Speaker 1 I got that all over the bar. Carpet rotted out of it, but then a couple the territory.

00;15;46;19 - 00;15;55;01 Speaker 3 It was certainly a lot of things that you could work with. Dirt liner. Yeah.

00;15;55;04 - 00;15;59;14 Speaker 1 They found them on her victory over here where they dropped.

00;15;59;16 - 00;16;02;08 Speaker 3 And got a couple of those that they were.

00;16;02;11 - 00;16;04;07 Speaker 4 Going through. Well, you know how.

00;16;04;07 - 00;16;06;24 Speaker 3 They do that. Well, of course everything.

00;16;06;26 - 00;16;13;07 Speaker 4 Every time somebody changes, you know, they clean how they got there, you know, what the hell that.

00;16;13;09 - 00;16;14;11 Speaker 3 No one and they, they.

00;16;14;11 - 00;16;15;02 Speaker 1 Fell out. Yeah.

00;16;15;07 - 00;16;17;28 Speaker 4 And I got down own some of the boot.

00;16;18;00 - 00;16;18;17 Speaker 1 Yeah.

00;16;18;19 - 00;16;29;07 Speaker 3 Yeah. And you know, just an awful lot of stuff that people just don’t have any idea. What if I had the complete image, the cup of this buried here?

00;16;29;07 - 00;16;38;08 Speaker 1 Now, I found here up on this hillside, on this timber hillside up here, that that fella.

00;16;38;11 - 00;16;40;06 Speaker 4 Now, did you drill a hole?

00;16;40;08 - 00;16;41;07 Speaker 3 No.

00;16;41;10 - 00;16;51;28 Speaker 5 Boy in the thing. Boat in the boat in. Been here and.

00;16;52;00 - 00;16;54;08 Speaker 4 Was this a recycler the end or something.

00;16;54;10 - 00;16;56;06 Speaker 5 On that? We’re not sure of what?

00;16;56;06 - 00;17;13;27 Speaker 1 That you got the name on it but I got out on the part of it, but I there no back cover up there that they used to have on a on the counter cut off much of the star marks. You don’t.

00;17;13;27 - 00;17;15;09 Speaker 3 Yeah yeah yeah.

00;17;15;11 - 00;17;47;06 Speaker 4 They’ve got and Dixie they’ve got an awful lot of this stuff and Jack has got it you know and his daughter, he had one one daughter and she married Mel Holman who’s now over in the regional office in Region one or in Missoula. And he’s become pretty interested in the history. You know, they have artifacts just all over, You know, of course, that was an old mining area and of course you have her, but they have the old tobacco plug carried to perfect shape, you know, and the old hand coffee grinder and and.

00;17;47;08 - 00;17;58;23 Speaker 1 We had one of these up near Cavin Creek to buy it owned at that time, gave it to it and we were going out and get it for we get up there to get it. They pulled out the whole farm, covered up one on them. We do it.

00;17;59;00 - 00;18;16;11 Speaker 5 Well. This is the coffee grinder that was here and they had evidently have a bag and it hooked in here. And I think I saw one somewhere that had the background and in some, you know, museum or anything. Yeah. That was here.

00;18;16;11 - 00;18;40;00 Speaker 1 Her name is quite a character, you know, as a, as a guy way back in the early days and they had back Stringer and go outside and take these items up there out one and it was a 30 day trip and he had some of the male brothers and people like that in their club or I don’t know, guess where he entered in the picture.

00;18;40;00 - 00;19;05;28 Speaker 1 But he was a sportswriter or something. And we have all the car fun and relative to that, you know and he gave some of them sent them an eight hour man record and it was quite a gun back in that time. And we got the car in there with our fishing tackle entered at our now the wooden Remington Patrick box and things like that.

00;19;05;28 - 00;19;19;20 Speaker 1 But we have a correspondent on that and we have sheets out of the tabloid of the The New York Times, I believe it was showing him and these cougar dogs and things like that, you know, but that stuff is all that crunk.

00;19;19;22 - 00;19;31;06 Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. Well, that I was just when I was back, I guess two weeks ago, I went up and got all the information that we.

00;19;31;06 - 00;19;31;28 Speaker 5 Had.

00;19;32;01 - 00;19;47;17 Speaker 4 On the Taylor Ranch, you know, and the agreements and so on, and tried to go through and and read, find out what what I could, you know, before we came down. That’s where I came across the doctor’s name on it.

00;19;47;19 - 00;19;48;26 Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

00;19;48;29 - 00;19;55;25 Speaker 4 He hadn’t give given $500 to be put into a trust for just what you’re talking about.

00;19;55;25 - 00;19;56;20 Speaker 1 Yeah I know.

00;19;56;22 - 00;20;07;20 Speaker 4 And, and of course when Erickson was here and so on, like, all that sort of went down the tubes back, we sort of step backwards there for a while and. Yeah.

00;20;07;22 - 00;20;13;05 Speaker 1 Yeah. You, we agree with you on that.

00;20;13;08 - 00;20;15;21 Speaker 4 That’s too bad. We have to agree on that.

00;20;15;24 - 00;20;18;05 Speaker 5 That he was a strange person.

00;20;18;05 - 00;20;19;22 Speaker 1 Yeah, very much. Yeah. We hear.

00;20;19;22 - 00;20;20;13 Speaker 5 Something.

00;20;20;14 - 00;20;21;16 Speaker 3 He’s a biologist.

00;20;21;17 - 00;20;28;01 Speaker 5 And something in his life, I guess. But he had to do like. children.

00;20;28;04 - 00;20;49;21 Speaker 4 I didn’t know the children. I, of course I was working for the Forest Service at that time and when they first made the first presentation at the University of the Wilderness Research, I went up and I taped it because I wanted to, you know, see where they were going, you know, because I was interested and.

00;20;49;24 - 00;20;52;11 Speaker 3 Well, naturally.

00;20;52;13 - 00;20;56;20 Speaker 5 He brought the two children in here. And then we got.

00;20;56;21 - 00;21;09;20 Speaker 1 Like, these names, you know, the thing operated for what it was intended for in the air card. I know about two doctor. Their dogs went out again. I’m kind of a doctor out of here.

00;21;09;22 - 00;21;21;09 Speaker 3 I’m curious a little bit about about what the discussions, early discussions were with the university on intention of abusing what they intended to do with it.

00;21;21;12 - 00;21;43;22 Speaker 1 We were like, that was the intention right from the very start was the only the only students that were going for that advanced stuff would be in here and and they would carry on research here. They got a lot of things here and research, you know, now they could be running a study on energy, not things. And here they they wanted to go for range.

00;21;43;25 - 00;21;45;09 Speaker 1 You know I don’t want.

00;21;45;11 - 00;22;20;01 Speaker 4 Or peak I know peak has got a proposal to do a long range training study on the Shrub species here, you know, relative to the range. And, he’s also going to be able to tie that in somewhat with some of the early data that are not gathered, you know, on the species composition in here. And then Dr. Ables, at least everything’s tentative now, but he said up above is proposed on a sheep study, you know, and.

00;22;20;01 - 00;22;29;05 Speaker 5 Who are the young man who came in here and down did the study of the range practice and.

00;22;29;16 - 00;22;33;02 Speaker 4 that’s a chart.

00;22;33;04 - 00;22;39;15 Speaker 5 Well, thank you. Here, young fellow. Here.

00;22;39;18 - 00;22;40;19 Speaker 3 I don’t know the cattle, but.

00;22;40;19 - 00;22;41;22 Speaker 4 Boy, was he dark headed.

00;22;41;22 - 00;22;43;26 Speaker 5 Is dark here.

00;22;43;28 - 00;22;45;01 Speaker 3 So, you know.

00;22;45;05 - 00;22;45;29 Speaker 5 No, no, no.

00;22;46;06 - 00;22;48;19 Speaker 3 That was with the group.

00;22;48;21 - 00;22;50;05 Speaker 5 Yeah, we know he.

00;22;50;05 - 00;22;52;12 Speaker 4 Was with Morris. Yeah.

00;22;52;14 - 00;22;58;05 Speaker 5 Yeah, we. They lived here for two years. We know that they lived down here.

00;22;58;08 - 00;22;59;13 Speaker 1 They were in the barn, and.

00;22;59;18 - 00;23;01;13 Speaker 3 I say.

00;23;01;15 - 00;23;05;24 Speaker 5 Yes. We’re a very long bungalow down.

00;23;05;27 - 00;23;13;00 Speaker 3 Like everything goes right. They’ll have a six year study. It’s a six year study with the doctor. And most of them.

00;23;13;02 - 00;23;16;04 Speaker 5 Think, you know, it was due in here and, and.

00;23;16;07 - 00;23;20;23 Speaker 4 Well, things have been sort of a situation of flux for a lot of.

00;23;20;25 - 00;23;23;21 Speaker 3 Bit of turmoil. And we’re not quite sure.

00;23;23;23 - 00;23;25;11 Speaker 1 Well.

00;23;25;13 - 00;23;57;18 Speaker 3 They said that well, the Wilderness Research Center I’m actually director of the Wilderness Research Center, essentially the same thing as Erickson was, except that I have no responsibility at all. But the ranch now just that’s that’s in the dean’s hands and right now it’s just horses. We don’t know yet how common areas are, but we don’t want to get down here and talk with you to find out a little bit about how you history of the area, how you feel about it.

00;23;57;25 - 00;24;02;08 Speaker 3 And you’d like to see, you know, these things go by, helps me understand.

00;24;02;10 - 00;24;30;03 Speaker 1 Well, that was the intended purpose to start with their research center and red students and yeah, good. If the main thing was actually the natural environment when people were finally doing it and in the name of God natural environment, they certainly got it. There’s been no change here near here. And what this wilderness area is going to do to it, I wouldn’t know.

00;24;30;03 - 00;24;36;13 Speaker 1 I presume that Congress will establish it in the wilderness area. Yet when they’ll get to it by, I wouldn’t know.

00;24;36;15 - 00;24;40;04 Speaker 4 Right now things are pretty politically tied.

00;24;40;06 - 00;24;41;00 Speaker 3 I guess.

00;24;41;02 - 00;25;02;05 Speaker 1 Yeah, I know it is. We’ve had people here that would they from California that really had to know that not know what the problem before anyone thank you it’s something you know going on but it’s all American air and ground on monitoring right.

00;25;02;10 - 00;25;02;23 Speaker 3 Yeah.

00;25;02;25 - 00;25;05;24 Speaker 1 And you couldn’t blame everybody.

00;25;05;24 - 00;25;30;11 Speaker 3 Have you ever had any discussions with anybody about possibility of a foundation relative to the air? You know what I think? No, what I was thinking about is the one time I was possibly trying to set up a foundation for people who are interested in in promoting research and in the air, could put their money and know that it would go to research because it would go into foundation.

00;25;30;11 - 00;25;35;05 Speaker 3 And the only work off of the interest and the capital was always there and it just gave for.

00;25;35;07 - 00;25;55;08 Speaker 5 This could have been talked about. But you see really we wouldn’t have been contacted. But I think that they knew that there was something along this line, maybe even back as far as Morris was in here when Morris was living here, there one year.

00;25;55;10 - 00;25;58;21 Speaker 1 They think that’s what I think.

00;25;58;24 - 00;25;59;15 Speaker 5 Sure.

00;25;59;17 - 00;26;00;24 Speaker 1 I have in mind.

00;26;00;24 - 00;26;07;08 Speaker 3 I’m sure you know, what I would think would be the. Yeah, yeah. The best way to handle something. Yeah.

00;26;07;10 - 00;26;36;13 Speaker 5 So now, Mrs. Stern, to your father, if the name should be able to, what would you say? Make a donation, make donations. And he knows many people who would be interested in this sort of thing. And of course, when he came in here, he was he is a contractor in, say, California, and he was interested in buildings and thought they needed it.

00;26;36;15 - 00;26;48;29 Speaker 5 And here and he has the money nearby here. But that went by the board. I mean, it where there no, it didn’t seem to be anybody to get a hold of to talk to.

00;26;49;03 - 00;26;56;25 Speaker 3 Yes, this is the problem. Yeah, they know why you know everybody how you know, Big Red Bull runs Red Bull.

00;26;57;01 - 00;27;03;05 Speaker 1 Yeah. And we know right where you are and mark up the she can’t be that her whole family in the air.

00;27;03;07 - 00;27;04;00 Speaker 5 They knew.

00;27;04;02 - 00;27;18;28 Speaker 1 Fred Bowman. yeah. And they were going to come through But he’s with a Northern Trust and they’re hanging by the cab cable. He’s, they’re represented. This is their district out here and everything. He comes out here, why not take it?

00;27;19;03 - 00;27;21;00 Speaker 4 Why would you be.

00;27;21;00 - 00;27;33;11 Speaker 3 Interested in if we could put together a foundation, Would you be interested in in helping us in terms of contacts with people you know, who are interested in being the ranch itself and have been in.

00;27;33;11 - 00;27;39;25 Speaker 5 Here? I can’t see any reason why not, You know.

00;27;39;29 - 00;27;41;05 Speaker 3 Not if we were an agent.

00;27;41;05 - 00;27;42;08 Speaker 1 Where we could. You know.

00;27;42;10 - 00;27;49;07 Speaker 3 It’s just like, of course do of course bonding with them, telling them that we do have something available as well.

00;27;49;07 - 00;28;05;06 Speaker 5 What we’ve been through the Dr. Loveland also, they brought a doctor and another man in here who was interested in school in Southern California, and his name was that could.

00;28;05;08 - 00;28;06;07 Speaker 3 Was.

00;28;06;09 - 00;28;15;00 Speaker 5 Sent some good All of these things could be you know, you one will have to do another.

00;28;15;06 - 00;28;28;22 Speaker 3 I’ve talked to the foundation people at the university and they said that could be set up right now. I see this is the only way that we can we can get money that will continually work.

00;28;28;24 - 00;28;31;01 Speaker 5 To keep.

00;28;31;04 - 00;28;32;14 Speaker 3 It any other way.

00;28;32;14 - 00;28;38;19 Speaker 1 We give you a grant here on the ground there and it’s right away a backlog right there.

00;28;38;21 - 00;28;49;10 Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah. And the doctors spent the $500 there it is somewhere up on a shelf or something. Nobody knows what in the world to do with it or where to put it.

00;28;49;12 - 00;29;05;13 Speaker 4 Well, when I went through the correspondence here today, because I’m interested in the historical aspects and, and the interpreting potential of this area. And I asked I couldn’t get back in to see that in name. But I ask is what is bothering me.

00;29;05;17 - 00;29;06;24 Speaker 3 I mean he’s been.

00;29;06;26 - 00;29;30;19 Speaker 4 The administrative assistant or something and he does all the physical stuff there. And I said, Well, would you find out about this? Well, the trust fund is there, say, and it mentioned in one of the letters about the taping, you know, of you all. And that’s why I talked to a couple other people up there and they said, yeah, that they were going to do this, you know, but there’s been something that they were going to do and it was never done.

00;29;30;19 - 00;29;38;09 Speaker 4 And that’s why I was surprised when I asked you last night if Dr. Loveland, you know, and you said, certainly he stopped by and and.

00;29;38;11 - 00;29;41;14 Speaker 5 That I think they were down a very kind of couple of a day.

00;29;41;17 - 00;29;45;27 Speaker 1 And when he came back and.

00;29;46;00 - 00;30;14;00 Speaker 5 The way we became acquainted, that was that Bamberg brought him into a monumental group and dropped them off manager for the park, each at the park and they started down the street. And with that they went over into the Craigs and all around. And then when they where do they think they’re taking me? Take him back out. They will take him out of here one evening and a one morning.

00;30;14;02 - 00;30;30;07 Speaker 5 So the Loveland’s came up here and they wanted to camp downtown, which was just what they did, but did give him the mayor’s a card and I guess that was the best car in the area before 29th.

00;30;30;09 - 00;30;42;09 Speaker 1 It got to be we were down below here. I was doing other work on a fighter plane down there and he was stationed and she just got a big red.

00;30;42;09 - 00;30;44;24 Speaker 3 Side about like an so.

00;30;44;26 - 00;30;59;15 Speaker 1 They came up and that way she gave him the red side. And so then they came on up there and I didn’t come. Garden problems mark up. I don’t want that. So that that’s where you met them. And then last year I think probably on our out, we were in the Yukon.

00;30;59;21 - 00;31;02;19 Speaker 5 I think we weren’t in car last summer It was the number.

00;31;02;22 - 00;31;03;28 Speaker 1 Yeah.

00;31;04;00 - 00;31;22;01 Speaker 5 We didn’t see them last year. I don’t know. They’re I’m sorry they didn’t count. Yeah. Because it’s summer I think the year they come in McCall call. I don’t believe that they probably a rental condominium type thing out there where they camp.

00;31;22;03 - 00;31;26;09 Speaker 4 And how old would you guess that they are.

00;31;26;12 - 00;31;27;27 Speaker 5 1150.

00;31;28;01 - 00;31;28;20 Speaker 3 50.

00;31;28;23 - 00;31;33;14 Speaker 5 004 50 ish. Yeah. You can’t really tell about it.

00;31;33;15 - 00;31;34;02 Speaker 4 Yeah.

00;31;34;05 - 00;31;37;03 Speaker 3 She’s still active, practicing.

00;31;37;05 - 00;31;59;28 Speaker 5 I assumes though, right? I don’t know that either. They practice, they live in Hollywood and then but I fear that old. I don’t know if you’ve been back on your back very far and they were doing well. They have grown children that are married, so I’m still married in their fifties now.

00;32;00;04 - 00;32;10;06 Speaker 4 When were they through here then, roughly? I don’t remember the date on the letter, but that was their letter was shortly probably a year or two thereafter that they were through.

00;32;10;08 - 00;32;11;25 Speaker 5 You know, it would have been in that time.

00;32;11;26 - 00;32;15;21 Speaker 4 In the fifties then, you know, 60 or 60.

00;32;15;24 - 00;32;16;14 Speaker 3 60.

00;32;16;16 - 00;32;24;04 Speaker 5 Yeah. Because I think it was there after the university in 68 or 66.

00;32;24;06 - 00;32;26;08 Speaker 3 I think it was 1968.

00;32;26;08 - 00;32;40;15 Speaker 5 I think. And there it would have been before than.

00;32;40;17 - 00;32;44;17 Speaker 4 Well.

00;32;44;20 - 00;33;04;20 Speaker 3 And is a problem right now as far as getting research going in here. It’s just the money has just dried up in the stock market, you know, to get with money for research, the kind of lot of the kind of research we like to do here, we have to go to federal agencies or go to foundations and the foundations that really get hurt and the stock market.

00;33;04;20 - 00;33;06;01 Speaker 1 Yeah.

00;33;06;04 - 00;33;06;28 Speaker 3 That’s just what.

00;33;06;28 - 00;33;17;13 Speaker 1 I get out of that. So we’ve been hurt a little too, but we’re have not been long for years. We’re not hurt. Nobody gives.

00;33;17;15 - 00;33;23;04 Speaker 5 Us. All right. I think probably more students in here now.

00;33;23;06 - 00;33;25;20 Speaker 3 We would like to see the facilities, right?

00;33;25;22 - 00;33;26;19 Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.

00;33;26;19 - 00;33;40;26 Speaker 3 It’s a shame for it to sit and nothing to be happening here. We’ve we would like to to get some cooperative research in here with the archeology is the historians do. we are coming.

00;33;40;28 - 00;33;43;20 Speaker 5 Forward to archeologists in here.

00;33;43;22 - 00;33;45;15 Speaker 4 From Idaho State.

00;33;45;18 - 00;33;57;13 Speaker 5 One and they come down by the name of Max and the other boy I think came from.

00;33;57;15 - 00;33;58;18 Speaker 3 Aggie.

00;33;58;21 - 00;34;11;08 Speaker 5 Either. Yeah, right. You meet too many people here and they’re either Pennsylvania or Ohio. Now, I’m not here. He was a smaller of them.

00;34;11;10 - 00;34;12;21 Speaker 4 Were they together.

00;34;12;23 - 00;34;23;27 Speaker 5 The man from Tokyo? I was that exception. I got like, six or five and very slender. And he’s name is Max.

00;34;23;29 - 00;34;26;02 Speaker 3 Okay, Yeah, I’ll.

00;34;26;04 - 00;34;30;04 Speaker 5 But I don’t think he would be heard from Dr. Sprague.

00;34;30;07 - 00;34;37;13 Speaker 4 Who is head of the department is head of the Department of Archeology and Anthropology at the University of they’re.

00;34;37;15 - 00;34;37;25 Speaker 5 Here.

00;34;38;01 - 00;34;53;01 Speaker 4 At the university is and he’s tied in very close to Swanson down here in Pocatello. And they’ve got to I talk to Dr. Sprague, and he’s very interested in coming in now.

00;34;53;06 - 00;35;04;26 Speaker 5 They came in here and they walked off on the side of recruit, picked up a couple of beer of wheat, shipped out around here.

00;35;04;28 - 00;35;05;15 Speaker 1 They they were.

00;35;05;21 - 00;35;16;22 Speaker 3 You like those guys just destined to be just, you know, magnets in their eyes? Yeah. Yeah. They can walk along. You can step right over in these and how can you step on that one.

00;35;16;25 - 00;35;16;29 Speaker 5 And.

00;35;17;06 - 00;35;19;14 Speaker 1 Just get up.

00;35;19;17 - 00;35;21;01 Speaker 4 There. Yeah, well, it’s like.

00;35;21;04 - 00;35;30;21 Speaker 1 What was a beer bag is full of beer. And we brought down.

00;35;30;21 - 00;35;35;06 Speaker 3 Here in a slide and.

00;35;35;08 - 00;35;59;13 Speaker 1 We’ve got an in a brain now, we still got the model that I guess they even predates the sheet beater. They’re still there. They, they haven’t, they they haven’t. The area formation. They’re just like this really. You know, just like, And their obsidian and midnight obsidian on their own position.

00;35;59;15 - 00;36;00;02 Speaker 4 Yeah.

00;36;00;05 - 00;36;05;09 Speaker 5 Yeah. We were in Wisconsin one time. I thought,

00;36;05;12 - 00;36;05;23 Speaker 2 Well, I.

00;36;06;01 - 00;36;19;11 Speaker 5 Hope they have it in there. And it said that those were Columbia River Indian spearheads. And I was just like,

00;36;19;13 - 00;36;30;05 Speaker 3 Okay. I could have come up in this far. I could have followed them the, the salmon or something up the streams or somewhere. Well,

00;36;30;07 - 00;36;31;15 Speaker 4 In some of the work that they did and.

00;36;31;18 - 00;36;34;17 Speaker 3 Pocatello, they’re shows that,

00;36;34;19 - 00;36;56;12 Speaker 4 We had about a 500 year climatic cycle in this area, and that the life film on these cycles in habitation in here was around the 655 or 6500 foot elevation zone, you know, when it was in the woods. And that at that time it was Artemisia. I was in.

00;36;56;12 - 00;36;57;12 Speaker 3 This with the upper.

00;36;57;12 - 00;37;24;16 Speaker 4 Areas were sagebrush Sea. And then so it was was much drier than it is now. And that was right at the right at the break between the sagebrush and your timber and where you had your water. There were a lot of these areas down here were probably not running strange. But at the end you run the edge of the timber in, the sagebrush, you know that we’ve been running stream and that’s where the habitation was.

00;37;24;16 - 00;37;33;08 Speaker 4 And which means that the summer or the winter wintering down here would have been, you know, a snap compared to where it is today.

00;37;33;08 - 00;37;38;01 Speaker 5 Yeah, well, you know, where the Indian peoples are going to be.

00;37;38;04 - 00;37;39;10 Speaker 3 I just.

00;37;39;10 - 00;37;57;02 Speaker 4 I didn’t get that far and was observing. I haven’t seen the well I blindfolded far, but I just landed there to check the field out. I mean, I haven’t been down on the other side to see the petroglyphs on the other side. Now, are they quite a ways up?

00;37;57;05 - 00;38;05;09 Speaker 5 No, they’re only a short distance between the Oak Creek Bridge there. Good Creek. No problem. And that’s the.

00;38;05;16 - 00;38;07;06 Speaker 4 Is there much vertical.

00;38;07;27 - 00;38;13;14 Speaker 5 Right here. about like 10 minutes or rocky down there from here?

00;38;13;17 - 00;38;15;21 Speaker 3 No, no, no. So.

00;38;15;24 - 00;38;16;23 Speaker 5 Yeah, but they’re about.

00;38;16;23 - 00;38;22;24 Speaker 1 An hour down where you are. You probably make a five minute hike here.

00;38;22;25 - 00;38;26;26 Speaker 2 You are not well. Yeah.

00;38;26;28 - 00;38;35;22 Speaker 1 That’s right. Down where that big wide down is. You’re right in the grass in the garden. And they’re on the opposite side in the trail. And they’re. They’re preserved. Usually they’re.

00;38;35;22 - 00;38;39;18 Speaker 3 Or are they from that? You know, you got that big deep hole.

00;38;39;21 - 00;38;40;26 Speaker 1 Well on the log and you got.

00;38;40;26 - 00;38;42;11 Speaker 3 To go on down there, on, down.

00;38;42;13 - 00;38;48;11 Speaker 1 Right in the garden you know, where get caught up like that on both sides. And you’re right across from the big water. Yeah.

00;38;48;14 - 00;38;57;29 Speaker 5 Yeah, I know that you can get a big picture either from, between eight and 830 in the morning when the sun comes in. They’re just right early.

00;38;58;05 - 00;39;02;01 Speaker 1 That be in the summertime. I don’t know one that will be there and I’ll probably wouldn’t hit in there at all.

00;39;02;01 - 00;39;08;10 Speaker 5 Now I got to get there now in the summer. You have to get down there earlier in the.

00;39;08;13 - 00;39;12;00 Speaker 3 Day to one of the pictures of.

00;39;12;03 - 00;39;15;26 Speaker 5 Animals, sheep and a lot of blind.

00;39;15;29 - 00;39;36;02 Speaker 1 All of those here got a lot of lined. I don’t know whether they were calculating something, marking up the game paper or what they were doing, but that’s in all of and practically any of these caves here have some in them. If you know where the cave is, but not in Smokey the Bear, nor are they that far down in that one.

00;39;36;02 - 00;39;36;29 Speaker 1 Not very far down.

00;39;36;29 - 00;39;40;16 Speaker 4 Here on on this side of that.

00;39;40;18 - 00;39;42;17 Speaker 1 Trail time.

00;39;42;19 - 00;39;53;15 Speaker 4 I just when we went up here, I looked back across, you know, where I actually saw the mule deer up here. And I would just look and I saw there’s a bluff area here. I didn’t even look with the glasses, but they were some.

00;39;53;21 - 00;39;56;18 Speaker 1 There’s nothing on this side.

00;39;56;21 - 00;39;57;02 Speaker 5 That.

00;39;57;09 - 00;40;00;23 Speaker 1 There is teepee over the, you know, down here.

00;40;00;23 - 00;40;01;20 Speaker 5 There’s a young.

00;40;01;23 - 00;40;22;25 Speaker 1 Guy on that side. On this side? Not just around the point here, but down a little bit farther and deep. They hold in there and there’s more than here with a B, How are they getting them? A Very fine of an agreement, though, that you may wonder. They were getting a great big dog that. yeah.

00;40;22;27 - 00;40;40;00 Speaker 1 And got a great big, big down here. We got we’ve got lots of beef and then we got that one whole block of experience and probably did get em or more. And then I got one perfect bird point the lair and didn’t get perfect.

00;40;40;03 - 00;40;41;12 Speaker 4 The opposite. Yeah.

00;40;41;15 - 00;40;52;20 Speaker 1 Yeah. I think it up in the sand is down here. Well, we’re in a creek wash it right up against the trailer And I did. And there.

00;40;52;23 - 00;41;10;16 Speaker 5 But you know, I suppose we’d walk around that trail going around the farm here hundreds of times, and then all of a sudden, my walk around in there was the blue had been. Yes, ma’am. That’s all I’ve ever.

00;41;10;18 - 00;41;13;13 Speaker 4 Spraying would be. We’re just going to have to get and.

00;41;13;14 - 00;41;29;15 Speaker 1 Play every time. I would bait up the garden here, I find the stadium never down any place near what it doesn’t do. They’re checking our top again and not up. And also you have none or we had the potato patch down there.

00;41;29;18 - 00;41;35;12 Speaker 4 Now it was just sort of a natural little band right here. And, you know, okay, well, then that explains it. Yeah. Yeah.

00;41;35;12 - 00;41;38;05 Speaker 5 It would be sitting right there and remarked.

00;41;38;07 - 00;41;46;16 Speaker 3 Yeah, I’d like to get up sometime before we leave to just kind of walk around the place. Much of the time it was here.

00;41;46;19 - 00;42;03;06 Speaker 4 This was 18, you see, because the date was on this side, 1894, February 16th is when this was banded with Winchester Arms. Yeah. And the calendar was a 3855 38.

00;42;03;08 - 00;42;04;00 Speaker 1 Yeah. But I don’t.

00;42;04;08 - 00;42;06;17 Speaker 3 Know what.

00;42;06;20 - 00;42;13;18 Speaker 4 Though. Anyway, I’ve done some. That was great but they do, they got it sandblasted and it’s real fine.

00;42;13;20 - 00;42;15;21 Speaker 3 In your sandblast. Yes.

00;42;15;21 - 00;42;17;10 Speaker 4 And then they put it in copper sulfate.

00;42;17;13 - 00;42;18;14 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

00;42;18;17 - 00;42;53;04 Speaker 4 Which had always been the sandblasted bare metal and the copper sulfate. It makes it so that they’re writing here, you can read it perfectly and the copper sulfate artificially ages it and then you covered it with a polymer emulsion spray so that it won’t oxidize anymore, you know, But then you have here the artifact which looks old, you know, but it’s not quite as, you know, I might add, what You’re doing you take a Yeah, I’ve got some of some axes back here that I found, you know.

00;42;53;07 - 00;42;59;19 Speaker 3 And some that are really old and.

00;42;59;21 - 00;43;03;13 Speaker 1 Well, we’ve got practically all of a.

00;43;03;15 - 00;43;06;12 Speaker 5 Lot more coffee.

00;43;06;14 - 00;43;07;00 Speaker 1 Better.

00;43;07;02 - 00;43;07;11 Speaker 3 Wine.

00;43;07;11 - 00;43;23;02 Speaker 1 Thank you. Complaining, inviting. Know what I’m there today. There’s a neighbor branding iron right there. This one. And you know, we found that. All right. and I just picked it up, brought it home. I had it in the car at one.

00;43;23;02 - 00;43;27;20 Speaker 3 Time, there was practically.

00;43;27;27 - 00;43;43;18 Speaker 1 No doubt that they did the right thing for the creek. Anybody got in trouble, they brought it down here and you take it the and when they were was all the ballots up there. One of the on it. But you know that it was in perfect and we let that go with the board and we tried that we should.

00;43;43;20 - 00;43;46;06 Speaker 4 We did a double action.

00;43;46;08 - 00;43;47;27 Speaker 1 I don’t know.

00;43;48;00 - 00;43;50;20 Speaker 4 I mean did it blow when you lift it up and blow, you push down.

00;43;50;20 - 00;43;51;21 Speaker 5 But I couldn’t tell you they.

00;43;51;28 - 00;43;52;15 Speaker 1 They so.

00;43;52;15 - 00;43;55;18 Speaker 4 Well though here you know, pretty rare buried.

00;43;55;22 - 00;43;57;17 Speaker 1 The oil This was an old but it’s.

00;43;57;17 - 00;43;58;15 Speaker 5 Taking care of it.

00;43;58;15 - 00;44;27;12 Speaker 1 But we had moonshadow and that had been well taken care of, you know then of course she had went pot, but it was right beside a big rocket. They don’t see the old ordinary right up in the old big cabin or the creek. And, you know, there’s that they didn’t we didn’t make no or an ordinary hammer and make that.

00;44;27;14 - 00;44;28;17 Speaker 3 Or to do it.

00;44;28;19 - 00;44;30;01 Speaker 4 I’ve never.

00;44;30;03 - 00;44;31;16 Speaker 1 Been out here That’s that.

00;44;31;18 - 00;44;39;19 Speaker 3 Bird you know. Right. And so you start yeah.

00;44;40;04 - 00;44;42;10 Speaker 1 and leaves little gap there That is solid.

00;44;42;12 - 00;44;43;25 Speaker 3 My brother right there.

00;44;43;28 - 00;44;45;11 Speaker 1 Right.

00;44;45;13 - 00;44;49;09 Speaker 5 Now, they don’t even do their you know.

00;44;49;12 - 00;44;53;04 Speaker 1 You have no tongue they make you need them I’m sure.

00;44;56;12 - 00;45;07;13 Speaker 4 No, I’ve never I’ve watched fellas that knew what they were doing, you know, and it’s neat to watch. Well, it’s like anything that somebody knows. What are you doing? You know, it’s really neat to watch.

00;45;07;15 - 00;45;11;01 Speaker 5 It’s frustrating if you try.

00;45;11;23 - 00;45;34;24 Speaker 3 that’s the thing I remember most about an don’t. I had a3b in the farm out there and he had a big old board and yeah, and yeah, the walls are just lined with tulips like this, you know. And so now we used to have a ball, this one of the fire that they never did they quite high powered and tried to make that you know so one of those childhood memories that you just never forget.

00;45;35;10 - 00;45;37;26 Speaker 5 is there for now. Yeah.

00;45;37;28 - 00;45;42;13 Speaker 1 Well I don’t have a problem here at one time and it’s always hard.

00;45;42;15 - 00;45;42;25 Speaker 3 You.

00;45;42;27 - 00;46;11;27 Speaker 1 Know, the fact that, you know, one, our statement was pretty good. They, they get away with it because they got caught. They had it. Gillman get away with that. It’s no too hard that about now but and and now they don’t they got away with Hardesty they had him put well this was the main trail in the country that this finer green ground it’s the old trail in the country and go over down on.

00;46;12;00 - 00;46;13;03 Speaker 1 Anyhow, he took that.

00;46;13;10 - 00;46;14;19 Speaker 3 Button.

00;46;14;21 - 00;46;24;26 Speaker 1 And got away up here someplace and he said I was just coming in one day, the opening and they was going out the other night opened up on.

00;46;24;29 - 00;46;25;11 Speaker 2 The.

00;46;25;13 - 00;46;38;00 Speaker 1 Job. And Martin said, you know, if I get that a big gun, I killed him over, you know better than what you got to party for. Partridge Bloody in one of them. And the matter of record a little later, why a doctor dug it out of it? Not I’m here.

00;46;38;03 - 00;46;41;06 Speaker 2 I’m like,

00;46;41;08 - 00;46;45;05 Speaker 1 Yeah. If I did that, man later, I got them both. Yeah, yeah.

00;46;45;08 - 00;46;46;26 Speaker 2 Yeah.

00;46;46;29 - 00;46;47;29 Speaker 4 That A.T.M..

00;46;48;01 - 00;47;10;29 Speaker 1 Yeah, but even that, even the mile of, you know, some of these guy they wrote about him, depicted him, you know, with a gun man. And he once the even heard of anything, you get left alone, you know, you’d be a few river in a gutter. I get it. Showed me where he got mixed up with a grizzly bear down here and go Great Basin, Jordan.

00;47;10;29 - 00;47;18;16 Speaker 1 It’s hard on it. Arms, I guess. Fine Gael barely might have been probably.

00;47;20;11 - 00;47;23;17 Speaker 4 What. How did he run onto him? I don’t.

00;47;23;17 - 00;47;30;17 Speaker 1 Know. Probably. You know, I to come he got right growth curve. I’m sure you get Blanchard in that. All right. Good.

00;47;30;19 - 00;47;35;01 Speaker 4 I just want to maybe come up on the kill. Well, or we could been.

00;47;35;04 - 00;47;43;13 Speaker 1 Talk about an event that ended America grabbed guns, and it was little tough.

00;47;43;16 - 00;48;00;21 Speaker 5 I know all the arm. Got it. Not only that, you know. Yeah, they thought to really go somewhere, but who would I give it to?

00;48;00;24 - 00;48;04;11 Speaker 4 Well, I think you have to keep it for now.

00;48;04;13 - 00;48;14;08 Speaker 5 You not knew was going around somewhere.

00;48;14;10 - 00;48;15;19 Speaker 3 Is really quite a job.

00;48;16;18 - 00;48;17;23 Speaker 5 I really.

00;48;17;24 - 00;48;18;11 Speaker 3 Intriguing.

00;48;18;11 - 00;48;27;02 Speaker 4 I, I think the scammers when the sewing machine was when it was hand-stitched later.

00;48;27;04 - 00;48;35;18 Speaker 5 Well you know, it really is because that was the I thought I carried all the time and it sharpens and I can help you get there.

00;48;35;18 - 00;48;36;12 Speaker 1 Yeah. So you would.

00;48;36;13 - 00;48;37;14 Speaker 3 Do.

00;48;37;17 - 00;48;43;04 Speaker 1 We have come together all the time. We go over the mountain and.

00;48;43;07 - 00;48;45;21 Speaker 5 It I don’t know if you to but.

00;48;45;21 - 00;48;55;02 Speaker 1 We need it made. I thought them over here. We wanted not to take the gun. Gotten engineer me shoot. Well I get better feel water of that from God very soon here he’d come of the butcher shop bit and the.

00;48;55;02 - 00;48;58;02 Speaker 2 Wheelbarrow got.

00;48;58;05 - 00;49;00;22 Speaker 4 Here Some people now.

00;49;00;25 - 00;49;02;14 Speaker 3 JT just.

00;49;02;17 - 00;49;05;20 Speaker 4 Had it to.

00;49;08;06 - 00;49;12;03 Speaker 5 yeah. I feel.

00;49;12;06 - 00;49;14;11 Speaker 3 The pain.

00;49;14;14 - 00;49;30;08 Speaker 5 Well, you got it. Could be left here, but yeah, I think it was made long before get out of, you.

00;49;30;10 - 00;49;30;25 Speaker 3 Know, you got.

00;49;30;27 - 00;49;31;06 Speaker 1 A lot and.

00;49;31;06 - 00;49;31;22 Speaker 3 They probably.

00;49;31;23 - 00;49;37;04 Speaker 5 Got to me. But you know who that horse.

00;49;37;06 - 00;49;41;16 Speaker 1 But I’m all over this guy here, the runner up.

00;49;41;18 - 00;49;45;05 Speaker 5 I you.

00;49;45;10 - 00;49;49;14 Speaker 4 Know, it’s neat to know you three.

00;49;49;14 - 00;49;53;00 Speaker 3 Really nice. Those there’s one.

00;49;53;03 - 00;49;55;00 Speaker 1 That’s about about the garden.

00;49;55;03 - 00;49;56;22 Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

00;49;56;24 - 00;49;59;18 Speaker 5 I like to avoid the fact here.

00;49;59;20 - 00;50;03;27 Speaker 1 I don’t want my big or corn.

00;50;03;29 - 00;50;05;29 Speaker 3 You know.

00;50;06;02 - 00;50;15;16 Speaker 1 We’ve had a bump going here for 25 years. I never want you to go of one for that. We wouldn’t have near here now.

00;50;15;18 - 00;50;19;25 Speaker 5 I can’t make you guys stand a chance there, but kitchen is.

00;50;19;27 - 00;50;25;09 Speaker 1 Plenty of them. You’re right. You’re on the other hand, we’re on here. Here? On your double. Yeah.

00;50;25;11 - 00;50;32;08 Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, this is it. Really. The first meal there? Actually, for quite a while now, I.

00;50;32;08 - 00;50;34;02 Speaker 1 Just had eight or nine failure.

00;50;34;05 - 00;50;44;11 Speaker 3 Your last meal there. I am counting. I was really. I wasn’t, honey. I was just hiding. And I came across in the.

00;50;44;11 - 00;50;46;25 Speaker 1 Little metal.

00;50;46;28 - 00;51;05;22 Speaker 3 Plant out of here, most of them seven or eight. And there was one big old and inside she didn’t like me. She just, you know, stick if you’re standing there and she kept looking, I just stood there watching because I’m sure they good. She take about three little pounds towards me.

00;51;05;24 - 00;51;06;20 Speaker 1 You know, towards.

00;51;06;20 - 00;51;22;21 Speaker 3 Me. And I just stood there and watched your eyes just really get you. She did at about three times until she was from she would know over 12 feet from me. And of course when she got that on us when.

00;51;22;23 - 00;51;24;22 Speaker 2 She got it.

00;51;24;25 - 00;51;26;22 Speaker 3 But but you know, you could see those big old brown.

00;51;26;23 - 00;51;27;19 Speaker 1 Eyes, you know. Yeah.

00;51;27;21 - 00;51;40;10 Speaker 3 Yeah. Finally she looked at me and she just kind of threw her head in the air and made a funny little noise. Kind of flipped her tail and walked around. What guy? Yeah. Yeah. I do not care about you.

00;51;40;13 - 00;51;42;19 Speaker 4 You. She never stopped her from there.

00;51;42;26 - 00;51;53;08 Speaker 3 yeah. And she will think. Yeah, she was, she was found in them, you know, stopping. It was real interesting. But I will never forget that fact that.

00;51;53;11 - 00;51;54;09 Speaker 4 I never killed the tears.

00;51;54;14 - 00;51;54;21 Speaker 3 That.

00;51;54;27 - 00;51;56;13 Speaker 2 Day.

00;51;56;15 - 00;51;59;04 Speaker 3 Well, that’s probably not the reason, but.

00;51;59;05 - 00;52;02;19 Speaker 1 I got my trophy. I got 130 points on it.

00;52;02;26 - 00;52;04;07 Speaker 3 30 points? Yeah.

00;52;04;09 - 00;52;09;23 Speaker 1 At the non difficult and.

00;52;09;26 - 00;52;12;19 Speaker 3 I got the machine now.

00;52;12;22 - 00;52;14;09 Speaker 1 And I got a Jaguar.

00;52;14;12 - 00;52;18;13 Speaker 3 And a very under so.

00;52;18;16 - 00;52;19;29 Speaker 1 I’ve got my Kroger network.

00;52;19;29 - 00;52;22;26 Speaker 3 But yeah, we’re going to have to come down.

00;52;22;29 - 00;52;25;08 Speaker 5 And okay that.

00;52;25;11 - 00;52;29;25 Speaker 3 We’ll get down. I don’t know how quick but we’ll go plan on it.

00;52;29;27 - 00;52;32;20 Speaker 5 I didn’t know the date that the.

00;52;32;23 - 00;52;34;23 Speaker 3 They had no visitors unless.

00;52;34;24 - 00;52;41;15 Speaker 5 No they can’t right now. Get off the road. Somebody else New community in.

00;52;41;17 - 00;53;00;25 Speaker 3 Its possible because I know we were over there we posted you know where I closed. I closed it and I know I did or gets mad at me for the take of the time day.

00;53;00;27 - 00;53;09;24 Speaker 1 Yeah, I got more to go, but more.

00;53;09;26 - 00;53;11;16 Speaker 3 As I stand.

00;53;11;19 - 00;53;13;11 Speaker 5 There and then be stand in front.

00;53;13;11 - 00;53;21;29 Speaker 3 Yeah, well, you never introduce you have missed and yet have you know if you, you.

00;53;22;01 - 00;53;27;23 Speaker 5 Well there’s never of become a hit kind of that it was not.

00;53;27;25 - 00;53;29;13 Speaker 1 And some of moment probably already. Yeah.

00;53;29;13 - 00;53;30;09 Speaker 4 You know they gave me I.

00;53;30;09 - 00;53;32;21 Speaker 3 Just have to tell you there.

00;53;32;23 - 00;53;36;11 Speaker 4 Are those trying to buy binoculars the light.

00;53;36;15 - 00;53;42;20 Speaker 1 Yeah you bet. You know there are those and.

00;53;42;22 - 00;53;46;19 Speaker 4 They’re also.

00;53;46;21 - 00;53;52;04 Unknown And I look.

00;53;52;06 - 00;54;05;02 Speaker 3 Like pretty good most obviously for me. And I don’t make somebody anything, not here or see.

00;54;05;04 - 00;54;11;02 Unknown Picture looking as good. Six of them, you know.

00;54;11;05 - 00;54;14;22 Speaker 4 Or they call them down here you have to be seven for a royal down here.

00;54;14;22 - 00;54;18;21 Speaker 3 Yeah, well that one over six and then have a little more.

00;54;18;24 - 00;54;20;09 Speaker 1 At about a seven.

00;54;20;09 - 00;54;27;00 Speaker 3 I think that the unless it was found so I can’t thank you.

00;54;27;00 - 00;54;29;06 Speaker 5 All right on that or.

00;54;29;09 - 00;54;31;22 Speaker 3 No I get to hotter.

00;54;31;24 - 00;54;33;10 Speaker 1 You. The interesting.

00;54;33;12 - 00;54;42;28 Speaker 3 Part is that when you back to the other day that’s the one I was curious that what that thing like I’ve never seen when I get.

00;54;43;05 - 00;54;55;19 Speaker 1 Well there and then I like it cause the custom built in the fellow that nailed them as quick sort action for a day or three they’ll have three different like reaction to.

00;54;55;19 - 00;55;02;25 Speaker 3 The 23 is just a really nice who did the word.

00;55;02;28 - 00;55;05;24 Speaker 1 Matthew open.

00;55;05;26 - 00;55;09;13 Speaker 3 A piece of.

00;55;09;16 - 00;55;11;21 Speaker 4 Well now does that cut down the muzzle black.

00;55;11;21 - 00;55;19;22 Speaker 1 Butter and I know it got more black but no okay I got to do things for that not do not have to nail right on the.

00;55;19;22 - 00;55;27;11 Speaker 3 Barrel. I don’t know. Maybe on that. What what’s the action? What kind of.

00;55;27;11 - 00;55;28;19 Speaker 1 Action is Matthew.

00;55;28;26 - 00;55;36;18 Speaker 3 Matthew feel. Yeah. Now where is he from? Oakland. Oakland, California.

00;55;36;20 - 00;55;39;05 Speaker 1 And got a can your trigger on.

00;55;39;08 - 00;55;45;16 Speaker 3 That trigger that you, the black.

00;55;45;16 - 00;55;48;11 Speaker 4 Blue magazine isn’t working in.

00;55;48;14 - 00;56;07;14 Speaker 3 Gold. Yeah it’s a high grade with several years ago I used to play around to making stocks, customizing guns and we learned how to move in hot spots. Yeah. And the first first time I did that, it scared me to death. I thought.

00;56;07;17 - 00;56;10;24 Speaker 1 That I really began and felt that, okay.

00;56;10;27 - 00;56;11;22 Speaker 3 You get all.

00;56;11;23 - 00;56;12;22 Speaker 1 My freedom or.

00;56;12;23 - 00;56;20;06 Speaker 3 Now I’m going to have to go back to 1843. I, I had one before I heard there.

00;56;20;07 - 00;56;24;18 Speaker 1 She can’t do that. Yeah. I’ve had that period of like I.

00;56;24;21 - 00;56;28;00 Speaker 3 I used to you to say copy, I really like to say collection.

00;56;28;02 - 00;56;32;16 Speaker 1 Take over. Good action. Now more than.

00;56;32;18 - 00;56;54;10 Speaker 3 We have to 43 Rock checker the barrel is made by Titus Titus Hollywood still I don’t know if he’s still alive or not. I don’t know. He’s probably dead because he was off your barrel. Made his neighbor, your dog, that is there. Also world famous, too.

00;56;54;13 - 00;57;03;02 Speaker 1 You know, there was a famous, beautiful.

00;57;03;04 - 00;57;03;16 Speaker 3 Barrel.

00;57;03;17 - 00;57;11;24 Speaker 1 Of the this boy. He wouldn’t take on the run barrel. He wouldn’t take.

00;57;11;24 - 00;57;14;08 Speaker 3 The first from.

00;57;14;11 - 00;57;17;20 Speaker 1 Them. And they got out and about the middle around and he dug them.

00;57;18;25 - 00;57;21;29 Speaker 1 And like, maybe the days, you know, it would.

00;57;21;29 - 00;57;26;00 Speaker 3 Be smooth or something.

00;57;26;03 - 00;57;28;19 Speaker 4 Of that. He was originally like a.

00;57;28;25 - 00;57;29;13 Speaker 5 Barrel in.

00;57;29;20 - 00;57;31;23 Speaker 4 And he turned it down and it. Sure.

00;57;31;25 - 00;57;40;13 Speaker 3 I see. Yeah. Yeah. Well that’s this this, that’s almost the same scope and that’s what mine is about.

00;57;40;13 - 00;57;41;04 Speaker 5 Now.

00;57;41;06 - 00;57;44;07 Speaker 3 Later on after.

00;57;44;09 - 00;57;46;26 Speaker 5 And magnify it and you’re very good.

00;57;46;28 - 00;57;55;09 Speaker 3 Well I think that you could take coffee.

00;57;55;12 - 00;58;14;03 Speaker 1 Yeah. I’ve got a blond and the too big for by the end of it you’re both back. All I go guns out here in that regard. Make it a 100 yard and you can hold nine over from here and yeah.

00;58;14;06 - 00;58;19;24 Speaker 4 I guess my problem is I spend most of my money on camera gear. I’ve got it. Yeah, they had me.

00;58;19;27 - 00;58;21;05 Speaker 3 You know.

00;58;21;08 - 00;59;15;26 Speaker 4 Mean, of course that is neither I.