Other Faces, Other Lives

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06:13 out Morning right These Chinese students they feel it is Chinese students they feel it is an honor to be part of this American Finnish students they feel it is an honor to be part of this cultural exchange. Should I say however but

13:50 these Chinese students they feel it is an honor to be part of this cultural experience exchange these Chinese students they photos

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14:22 For these Chinese college students, it is an honor to be part of this great thinking technically for these Chinese college students, it’s a great honor to be part of this for these Chinese college students, it’s a great honor to be part of this great American talk. I just want to keep saying American. Let me just look, let me look at one thing for these Chinese calls, Christians, it is a great honor to be part of this American. It’s not American, is it? Okay. For these Chinese college students, it’s a great honor to be part of this cultural exchange. But the true honor lies within the Americans because it’s these college students that have brought their Chinese culture to us. Now, let me do it again. That was bad. That was awful. For these college students, it is a great honor to be part of this cultural exchange. However, the let me just do it one more time. Let me just do it one more time. For these Chinese students, it’s a great honor to be part of this cultural experience. However, the true honor lies within the Americans because it is these college students that have brought their Chinese culture to us for mostly Moscow. I’m Michelle Seeley. For these college students, it’s a great honor to be part of this cultural experience exchange for these college students, it’s a great honor to be part of this cultural exchange. However, the true honor lies within the Americans because it’s these college students that have brought their cultural experience to us for mostly Moscow I’m Michele Seeley.

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00:28 I am a strong supporter of education, I just strongly believe in education. I think a student here who wants to go to college is highly motivated, would have a better chance of going to college and finishing college than the one who’s in the Philippines, who wants to go to college and doesn’t have the resources to go to college, even though he’s highly motivated, I mean, the chances are, he won’t go and finish college.

00:55 I have benefited from not only the tradition of knowing my grandma, my grandparents on both sides, and I guess cherishing those memories, but also being fostered in an environment where education was a very key role. And I think that that’s an outstanding element in most Japanese families. But it’s
not a direct education, so to speak. It’s an application to life. My parents would share going to where, we would travel, and it wouldn’t matter whether it was from here to Blackfoot or, or to a foreign country, and they would save up and they would give my sister and I the benefits of traveling. And they taught us that probably 99% of our education would come through travel and learning to deal with people in our circumstances. But they were, I guess, smart enough to qualify that statement and say that without a formal education, we’d never truly be able to appreciate those experiences.

02:00 My husband and I had always enjoyed, and he really believes in education. And through his effort and persistence. Many of our Chinese friend, older friends in our generation, not quite as modern as we are not graduates of college, but they are good people and we tried to push through it them to send their children to, on to school. Even, even our good friend in Walla Walla who has a large farm. He said to our I don’t see why my boy have to go to agriculture school because he I can teach him all all I know. But then my husband said no, because he he can learn all you know, but he can also learn more from the modern agriculture, and can produce more and they can save more and do things more. And then also, we have been persuading our friends in Spokane, Walla Walla, even in Pullman, you know, to send the daughters to school too. The Chinese attitude is that well, our daughter’s got to be married and to her husband’s family, why should we spend the money to educate our daughters when they go live live, with, with the other family anyway. But we always tell them that it doesn’t hurt for a girl to to have a good education and be able to support herself in case of necessity. That then she does not have to obey and and do what their husbands want them to do. The idea my, my husband feels is that going to school is going to school and you have no time to be dating. And so he said Well, wait till they’re at least a junior at college before me Dave as a junior No, but he didn’t like to have you do but he did not forbid you to do it.

04:26 But yeah, I was married by the time I was a sophomore. In other words, he let he’d let us go out as long as…

04:43 and do what their husbands want them to do. Their idea my, my husband feels is that going to school is going to school and you have no time to be dating. And so He said, Well, wait till they’re at least a junior at college before.
Not me, I was a junior
No, but he didn’t like to have you do but he did not forbid you to do it.

05:14 I was married by the time I was a sophomore. In other words, he let he let us go out as long as it’s the right person, right and the right person had to be

05:25 Chinese. Not not that not that we have anything against the American people. It is much better. If you do marry within your own race, you have a background together, the same background, the same. The same cultures and the same ideas that the Chinese people have.

05:55 We have heard that Filipinos have a very high intermarriage rate. Can you comment on that?

06:04 That’s what I can see. That’s what I can see. Because my son is married to an American. And my, my other son is married to a Japanese and my other son is married to American. I mean, my daughter is married to American, and I don’t have any pictures. Yeah, she married to American. So that’s what it is. They’re all. I don’t have any full Filipino children.

06:38 Why? Why do you think that is so? Yeah, good question.

06:44 Well, the reason… Well, I really can’t say anything about that. But I think the reason is that we don’t have many of our people in here. You see, when he was still a minister in California, early part of his ministry, they did not allow marriages, intermarriage like that. So so he cannot marry. So we have been bringing these people who wants to marry another nationality to Reno. In fact, we have brought about seven of them.

07:23 So when you say they can you clarify that who would not allow?

07:27 The law below in California, California, California, maybe maybe in United States? I didn’t know how I didn’t know this. But in California, they didn’t. It was not allowed for, for intermarry intermarriages. So he can marry them.

07:46 So Reverend Caollo knew would take them to Reno? Yes.

07:56 Well, how did you feel about the intermarriage? What do you think of intermarriage? i

08:05 Well, so far, like I have been talking to him that in my observation here, although there are many that we know who are as good as when they are Filipinos, or there are Americans, it’s themselves see that there are many that I know that we deal with, that they have the best husbands, they have the has, the they’re the best husbands in the American side.

08:40 The races have been able to mix and be a cohesive group. You know, I always thought that when when I was younger, I had a friend who was Caucasian and I it was a very dear friend because we live he just lived down the street and ways and and if something came up and he proposed to me, I still as much as I thought of him I wouldn’t have thought of marrying him because at the time Caucasians were you know, and Japanese marriages just just didn’t go and they had all these laws to that that regulated us from. So since that time, it’s really been almost a complete turnover and because we have children in, on his side of the family, and mine too, who are married to Caucasians and being very nice land I think I think just as much as the daughter in-laws. If you know if they were Japanese and I think the grandchildren naturally they’re just your grandkids and just extra special and like you say we’ve got blonde and darn near blonde, blue eyes and curly hair. You know, I said I’m, I’ve often wondered Mother would think if she saw clearly a granddaughter or grandchild because in all in Japanese always had a straight black hair. And here we have our grandchildren who are pretty curly brown hair and beautiful olive complexion and everything. And somehow I feel like that the offsprings have an inner marriage, the children seem to be stronger and healthier, better, and stature, they’re taller. They’re better looking. They’re much more intelligent in school. I mean, all the children, you know, I’ve done very well in school. So far, so they always talk about hybrid, you know, the first strain of a hybrid being so good, whether it’s wheat or corn or whatever. I kind of think that with children, too.

11:01 We, each of us, when we graduated from high school, went to Hawaii for a summer. Yeah, of course, we had been raised, you know, amongst, you know, in Moscow, essentially, in an all Caucasian community. Atmosphere.
And so when I went to Hawaii was the first time I had been immersed into, you know, a multicultural setting. And I realized when I came back, that my dad was right, and that I would marry within my, you know, with it, at least within the Orientals. And so then Leonard and I started, Leonard already had was working on his master’s. And so we started dating when I was a freshman in college, I was married at the beginning of my sophomore year. And I really feel and you can ask my own children, this because they’ve also gone through this. But I still feel quite strongly,

11:51 You would say you’re racing your family, you and Leonard, in according to the traditional, traditional Chinese way?

11:59 Well, from the standpoint of who they marry, okay, and who they want to make lifetime commitments to as far as a family.

12:08 How do you feel about that?

12:10 I don’t know. I never, thought about it.

12:13 I just kind of think about more of getting through college and finding my own career before I even think of having somebody else to marry.
They have a lot of priorities as to what what kind of guys that we date, they would want us to marry a Chinese and in our race. I think it’s, I think it’s kind of sad how, how they only want us to marry in our race. I agree, in I see their standpoint, but it’s, it’s it’s a modern world, and you have to, you’re living in a white world. So I think of myself as both Chinese and American and white and stuff.

13:03 The strongest feeling I got from my parents was, it’s about time. I was 27 or something at that point. But they, they felt that I was ready for that. And, of course, it’s difficult to think of yourself married when you’re single. But in retrospect, I think I was to, Luti’s parents were, I’m sure a bit apprehensive, more for her sake, I think than mine. They were concerned that she wouldn’t finish school, that she had been a valedictorian and all of these things in school and they had great aspirations for her. She had great aspirations and they thought when she married somebody, somebody from Caldwell, Idaho, where she gonna go? I think it’s worked out alright.

14:07 I think it’s also, you know, parents never tell you really what, you know, how they feel. I mean, it’s part of the culture they infer, right? I mean, it’s all infer, and I think my mom has inferred to me that when she grows old, you know, I won’t be there as a girl, you know, usually the woman takes care of your aging parents and, and she was quite, she was quite apprehensive about that. But I won’t be around, of course, because of course I will follow my husband.

14:34 And so, so how is it now?

14:38 She comes every two years, sometimes with my mom or with just a mum, I mean with my dad, and she comes tovisit and I tell her, you know, when she needs me, I’ll be ready. Being around my kids do.

14:55 My mother would have been worried if I married somebody else. Just You know, be sure you know what you’re doing. Be sure it works.
They were of divorce. Because they had the idea that everybody in America gets divorced. The time we were going to get married. Another one from Los monos, my hometown. I was in the process of getting divorced with his American wife, who happens to be a good family friend. So that was something that my mother asked, Well, are you aware of this? Are you aware of that? I of course said yes. But like any ideal is it ever happened to me?

15:39 Well, we were noticing as we were interviewing people…

15:52 What do you want to do once you graduate here? Yeah, because

15:54 I just go to school and be cosmetologist.

15:58 Do you want to do that here in Kellogg or? Yeah. What do you think about the gondola project?

16:05 I think it’s neat. It’s gonna bring a lot of business here. A lot of different people, maybe tourists.

16:11 Do you think your friends might hang around here after graduating from high school as well? Or what do you think?

16:18 Yeah, I think they will.

16:21 Thanks. Hey. Hi, how are you?

16:26 I’m Simon Miller. Simon, what your junior?

16:30 And do you have any plans after graduation?

16:33 Think I’m just gonna go to college and come back. See what I can find through job

16:38 plan. I’m coming back to Kellogg. Yeah, I’d like to. Where do you want to go to school? And what do you want to study?

16:45 Probably the University of Idaho. I don’t have declared a major yet. I don’t I just kind of go with the flow and see what happens.

16:53 Tell me about the gondola. Ride. I

16:56 think it’s the best thing since sliced bread. Really? It’s gonna make this place. Boom, I think. I think it’s really good for the economy and everything. What are your friends? Think about it. I think it’s great. We won’t have to drive up that long hill that go skiing, we can just ride up a little gondola instead of driving that long way. It’s kind of a pain.

17:14 Are you scared? Yeah.

17:15 I’m scared. It’s great up there.

17:18 What do you think it will do to the area? It’s gonna

17:20 be great. It’s gonna expand and everything I guess and it’s just gonna boom, it’s gonna be great. Thanks.

17:29 Government.

17:34 Tell me who you are.

17:35 Any big spring? What are you a senior Kellogg High School?

17:40 And what do you plan to do after graduation?

17:42 I’m going into the service, the army.

17:46 And do you have any plans on coming back to Kellogg?

17:49 Yeah, hopefully. What do you I don’t want to come back and live here. I just want to come back and see how I just want to come back and visit my family and stuff.

18:00 What do you think of the gondola project?

18:01 I think it’s really neat. I think it’ll hopefully it’ll add something to this town. Do something for it and make it more prosperous, I guess.

18:12 What do you most of your friends here think about it?

18:16 Well, high school I don’t really think anything really is my friends. It’s I think it’s just more the older people that really want this. But it’d be neat. If you’re a skier I guess we need to go out there.

18:29 Do you think any of the young people will benefit from a project like this?

18:34 Younger people that might want jobs in high school? Maybe

18:39 these skate All I see

18:41 is look out for summer.

18:43 Would you ski up here once things are done? I probably would. Would you tell your friends to ski up here?

18:50 Would I? If they got the gondola? Yeah, it’d be neat to write up on one of those things. Thanks

00:05 Introduce. But Marie and her family have found that their Chinese values of strong family unity and hard work have helped them to find a true home in Moscow, Idaho.

00:19 How come that we went into the restaurant business was the, my father and mother came around. He said, Well, let’s go around the police country see what they, my father and mother came around, he said, Well, let’s go around the pollute countries, you have a sly, like, you know, so they came over here.

01:12 Ever since I’ve been here ever since 1920. But I could not become a US citizen until 1943. Paul Buck was one of the persons that got this law change in the US government. And so as soon as we were able to join, my husband and I a went to get our citizenship paper at that time. And if you’re not a citizen, of course, you cannot buy land or building or anything like that. And so at that time, you have to Buyten your children’s name, because they are citizens, and they are allowed to buy, and we cannot even vote all these years, until after we become citizens,

02:01 I had to do a little bit better in order to succeed. She that’s been that way throughout my life. If I want to hold down a job, no matter what, I had to put out a little bit more effort to be a little bit better than anything I do. So came my little depression, some that hold on to me and get rid of the others. But if I were equal, I would have been the first one to let off. That is, racially because if you’re competing with a bunch of Caucasians, you’re, you’re just mud unless you excel in your ability a little bit better.

02:37 I stopped it was a noon hour. So I thought I’d stop and my wife and my son was about a year and a half years old,

02:48 stopped at a restaurant there and didn’t get waited on. And finally the waitress came over and said, Are you Japanese nicer to Japanese descent? Yes. Well, we don’t serve yourself. I think she was more embarrassed than I was. But we left.

03:06 Well, one day when there was a junk in there, he saw us eating. He got on the table, start preaching, he says we got to get rid of them. We got to kill them, causing us a lot of trouble that was rush, who had nothing just a fork and knife. And the guy was with he was managing our team. And I told him, I said, you know, the book can be attacked, not by one person, but the whole mob here.

03:34 When they call me names, having to do with my race, it takes me more personal than if they tell me that I’m ugly. Because you are aware. I think it takes me it. It bothers me more because they’re insulting my whole race. They’re insulting. My whole background. And what I believe in,

03:55 didn’t French was the dean woman at that time, you know, she had a good talk with my sisters as well. You mustn’t go out with American boys too much, you know, I mean, but of course, my sister didn’t go oh overboard, but she has her regular friends. So well. If the other students can keep can keep the boyfriend so I can I you know, go out on dates with them.

04:30 I’ve always felt like I’ve been because I’m Oriental. Because I’m Chinese. And I’ve always felt that all the way through school. If if, if in the classroom, they would recognize they would know me first before they knew all their other little faces in the room. They would know my name first they would know you know their expectations of me that they would know me for so I always considered a special. I always thought that I’m so special that everybody’s gonna notice me. So to me, it’s never been a negative discrimination. It’s always been fun. positive and, you know, and this is my experience with it, and therefore, when kids call me names, it’s just the fact that they’re noticing that there’s something special about me.

05:07 When I go to staffing I know people if they, you know, I initially they have, they would, I don’t think it’s making fun, but they would call attention to like, to some how I would pronounce some words. And I, you know, I think, I don’t know, I, I’ve never experienced that before we I was an exchange student before and, and wasn’t that, you know, not much attention was was given at that time. But here, it seems to me that maybe people are not used to other culture as much or, you know, like we were saying before, there’s that veneer of discrimination maybe to other than, you know, to a culture other than your own

05:51 record, see that he share a heading or San Pedro or San Francisco, we headed east and I knew we were going to Mexico I didn’t have been I knew how to navigate to like me, I had to skip his license to home and house unsuitable. And by doing that, it took us about 15 days to get back from Hawaii. But we finally ended up in San Pedro see our home port was was in San Francisco. Well, we got in Okay, then, you know, who’s waiting for me? Guess who? The FBI know about a dozen that come up and they grabbed me and says now don’t you get away? You’re gonna get off this ship. We don’t trust you. But did you know that all the Caucasians deserted us? One day I knew for years while the propaganda was that the Japanese were treacherous, you cannot trust them. They all bleed that say

06:52 I’m proud to be a Japanese American now. I wasn’t. I was always proud of that. But it meant a lot of trouble during the war years. But having weathered the storm and went through all the troubles and getting through it, you know in good shape. I always say that I’m proud to be a Japanese American. This is roughly around two weeks, when a definite word came that we had to leave we weren’t going to be able to stay the summer. We had talked about it ever since December 7. But it was middle of May when I left and we had to just about two weeks notice to get everything in to get all your business in order. Dispose of anything. I sold a refrigerator for $5. So thick up nine to 36 model Ford pickup for $50. And a man who was I considered a good friend traded with me at a service station where I figured it was a good friend. He said I will send you the other 25 When you let me know when you get there your address, which I did. I never did see him again. So I got $25 for a 1936 pickup. Camp life I spent two winters severe cold that we weren’t used to coming from Seattle area and real hot summers that we weren’t used to the lack of privacy and that was one of the worst. Of course the cramped quarters. When I went back into camp I had my mother and two sisters and my wife and I baby in the 20 by 20 foot room. So you can imagine no running water just bear light bulbs hanging down from the ceiling. No partitions no toilets was a community toilet. I guess by the time I went there it was a little better used to be they didn’t have toilets. It was outdoor without water. Those that went and opened up the camp and then a dhoka had the worst of it. That was dusty when they got there in August. July and August. Dustin ankle deep. Then in September October the rain snow came and it just got mud. You leave your shoes in the mud. You know what I mean? It slip off

09:49 but it was a hellhole How did you feel about it? Well, I felt that I didn’t think it was right. Really, because it was

10:08 they were supposed to be citizens and to be put into a place like that, you know, I guess, more or less thought that they were entitled more than that if they had to be put under some kind of security. So I didn’t think it was at all fair.

10:29 I gotten over the disappointment I had, and went through hardships are went through on account of evacuation. But there are people that need to know and people that would understand if they got the story. But if they just read propaganda, and listened to it, and never been told, they would carry that on, they’d be teaching that to their children and continuously grow. This experience that we went through should never happen to any group of people.

11:02 I think this monument is long overdue. The Japanese American Citizens League supported it with money. We support it as an educational tool. We support it as a reminder to all Americans of America’s rather sordid past

11:17 you yet you don’t realize that any of you don’t realize what happened to us.

11:23 I know that a lot of people at my school do like me, but they always know that I’m there for them when they need me.

11:37 Do they know that you’re half Japanese? No.

11:41 I don’t care. Well, no. To any of the

11:45 kids that you play with, give you trouble because you have Japanese.

11:51 No, but there’s one kid you gave when I was at my little girl school.

11:57 But that wasn’t because you were Japanese. Just because you’re

12:04 three years old.

12:07 If there is any discrimination right now, it’s probably more than a positive one and a negative. I think those that are still continuing to discriminate are probably a little bit ignorant of the facts. You know, when I say a positive discrimination, I think, I think because of because of my father, and people like
him and our grandfathers, they earned the right they earned that respect, I think from from this community and the country in general. And so if anything, it’s it’s more a matter of pride now to be Japanese, because so much more is expected of you. But it’s it’s a wonderful challenge that I think that we’re as a race, I think we’re up to 30 children during the day being discriminated against, no, I again, I feel that they’re looked up to be they adapt, and they accept all of the different races very, very well. In fact, you know, one of the things that I’m happy to say is that when someone else for example, a black is discriminated, my children can understand that and they usually side with that poor, unfortunate child.

13:20 As long as the country realizes that we need immigrants to help us in our industries, our labor supply, I don’t think it will happen. But when that happens, though, then we probably have some people in Washington who don’t realize the significance of keeping our industries moving or keeping our society far develop or far more developed than other countries like Japan or Europe.

13:51 They look beyond what color you are, what race you are, they look for the person they definitely do. So I mean, sure. You’d have some people you know look at the outside

14:05 I think is true just as any other person because we’ve been friends for two and a half years now. No difference.

14:34 Seven of them

14:36 into that so when you say they can you clarify that who would not allow

14:42 the law belong in Colombia in California? Maybe maybe in the United States. I didn’t know how I didn’t know this. But in California, they didn’t. It was not allowed for for intermarry. intermarriages, so he can marry them.

14:59 So Reverend Carla knew would take them to Reno. Yes.

15:09 Well, how did you feel about the intermarriage show? What do you think of intermarriage?

15:18 I went so far, like I have been talking to him that in my observation here, all those there are many that we know who are as good as when they are Filipinos are there are many combs it’s themselves see that there are many that I know that we deal with, that they have the best husbands, they have the has the they’re the best husbands in the American side.

15:53 The races have been able to mix them and be a cohesive group. You know, I always thought that when, when I was younger, I had a friend who was Caucasian, and I, it was a very dear friend, because we live he just lived down the street aways and, and if something came up, and he proposed to me, I still, as much as I thought of him, I wouldn’t have thought of marrying him because at the time, Caucasians were, you know, and Japanese married just just didn’t go. And they had all these laws to that, that regulated us from so since that time, it’s really been almost a complete turnover. And because we have children in his side of the family and, and mine too, who are married to Caucasians, and doing very nicely and I think I think just as much of the daughter and Miles’s if you know if they were Japanese and I think the grandchildren naturally their district grandkids are just extra special. And like you say we’ve got blonde and darn near blonde, blue eyes and curly hair, you know, I said I’m, I’ve often wondered how mother would think if she saw curly haired granddaughter or grandchild, because in all in Japanese always had a straight black hair. And here we have our grandchildren who are pretty curly brown hair and beautiful all his complexion and everything. And somehow I feel like that the offsprings have an inner marriage, the children seem to be stronger. And healthier, better, and stature. They’re taller. They’re better looking. They’re much more intelligent in school. I mean, all the children, you know, I’ve done very well on school. So far, so they always talk about hybrids, you know, the first strain of a hybrid being so good, whether it’s wheat or corn or whatever. I kind of think that with children, too.

18:15 We, each of us, when we graduated from high school, went to Hawaii for a summer. Yeah, of course, we had been raised, you know, amongst, you know, in Moscow, in essentially an all Caucasian community atmosphere. And so when I went to Hawaii was the first time I had been immersed into, you know, a multicultural setting. And I realized when I came back, that my dad was right, and that I would marry within my, you know, with, at least within the Orientals. And so then Leonard and I started, Leonard already had was working on his master’s. And so we started dating when I was a freshman in college. I was married at the beginning my sophomore year. And I really feel and you can ask my own children, this because they’ve also gone through this, but I still feel quite strongly,

19:04 you would say you’re raising your family, you and Leonard, in according to the traditional, traditional Chinese

19:12 way, well, from the standpoint of who they marry, okay, and who they want to make lifetime commitments to as far as a family. How do you feel about that?

19:23 I don’t know. I never.

19:26 I just kind of think about more of getting through college and finding my own career before I even think of having somebody else to marry.

19:37 They have a lot of priorities as to what what kind of guys that we date, they would want us to marry a Chinese and in our race, I agree. In I see their standpoint, but it’s, it’s it’s a modern world and you have to, you’re living in a white world. out. So I think of myself as both Chinese and American and white and stuff Lutece

20:09 parents were, I’m sure a bit apprehensive, more for her sake, I think than mine. They were concerned that she wouldn’t finish school that she had been a valedictorian and all of these things in school and they had great aspirations for her. She had great aspirations, and they thought when she married somebody, somebody from College, where she gonna go? I think it’s worked out, right.

20:42 I think it’s also, you know, parents never tell you really what, you know, how they feel. I mean, it’s part of the culture they infer, right? I mean, it’s all in for, and I think my mom has inferred to me that when she grows old, you know, I won’t be there as a girl, you know, usually the woman takes care of your ancient parents and, and he was quite, she was quite apprehensive about that, that I won’t be around, of course, because they might, you know, fall on my husband. So when she was

21:09 born. So how is it now?

21:13 She comes every two years sometimes with my mom or with just a mom, I mean, with my dad, and she comes into visit and I tell her, you know, when she needs me, I’ll be ready. Around my kids do so.

21:30 My mother would have been worried if I married somebody else. Just you know, be sure you know what you’re doing. Be sure it works. Knows,

21:40 afraid of divorce. Everybody in America gets divorced.

21:44 At the time, the time we were going to get married. Another one from Los monos. My hometown. I was in the process of getting divorced with his American wife, who happens to be a good family friend. So that was something that my mother as well. Are you aware of this? Are you aware of that? I? Of course that Yes. But like any ideal is it’s ever happened to me.

22:18 All Asian groups have experienced forms of discrimination. In early days, there were laws preventing Asians from becoming citizens and owning land. Prejudice was extreme against the Japanese Americans during World War Two. An unfortunate example of this was the construction of Camp Minidoka for 1000s of Japanese Americans were interned.

22:45 I’m proud to be a Japanese American now. I wasn’t I was always proud of that, but

01:02 Idaho one of the most rugged and beautiful north western states. We picture espoused people by Native Americans and white explorers, settlers and pioneers, little is ever said about other races. However, Asians have played an important part in working the minds, constructing the railroads, cultivating the farms, establishing the businesses, teaching the children and helping to build this great western state. Although there is occasional mention of Chinese miners, few people realize that in 1870, during Idaho’s Gold Rush, over 1/4 of the people in Idaho were Chinese, and that Boise, the population center was 1/3 Chinese, though many whites tried to treat the Chinese miners farmers and business people fairly. The story of the early Chinese in Idaho were laced with suspicion, prejudice and discrimination. The ones large Chinatown located in Boise is now gone by the Chinese have had a continuous presence in Idaho from the time of statehood to the present day. The Japanese came to Idaho starting in the 1880s to work on the railroad. Many stayed the farm and then branched out into other occupations. But we seldom talk about the fact then in 1943, the eighth largest population center in Idaho was completed dhoka a Japanese internment camp in the desert, north of Twin Falls. 1000s of Japanese Americans were brought there after being forced from their homes on the West Coast. Living in hastily constructed bare and crowded barracks. They did their best to make the area livable by cultivating gardens to literally make the desert bloom. The story continues to the present day as Filipinos and Southeast Asians come to Idaho looking for a better life. Like the earlier Asians, they tried hard to fit into an unfamiliar, often unfriendly environment, while at the same time remaining true to their heritage and beliefs. These brave and hardworking Asians show us all other faces of Idaho. This program of other faces other lives was made by people of Chinese, Japanese and Filipino ancestry, who are members of the Palouse Asian American Association of Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington. It is a project supported by the Idaho Centennial Commission ethnic heritage committee. They traveled the state to uncover some of the unwritten and untold stories of what it was like and is like to be Asian American in Idaho. Do the Asians blend in? Or do they maintain their own culture? How do they raise their children? How are they treated by the white neighbors? Do they feel at home in Idaho? Are things changing for the better or the worse for them? How do children feel who are often the only Asians in their classes or school? Listen in, as we raised these questions in interviews and discussions, and learn about an often neglected part of the story of Idaho. Murray lelou came to the United States from China when she was 16 years old. She was the first Asian to graduate from the University of Idaho. in Spokane, her father was a Chinese ER doctor. In 1926, the family moved to Moscow, Idaho, where they were the first Chinese family to settle as permanent residents. Her family owned and operated the grill Cafe, which is now the old Hong Kong restaurant on Main Street. Marie married Milu and they raised five children, two of their daughters hers. Mary Lou and Claire chin are currently teachers in nearby towns. In the 1920s, gaining the acceptance of the white community was difficult. And to this day, the loose and chants face occasional prejudice. But Marie and her family have found that their Chinese values of strong family unity and hard work have helped them to find a true home in Moscow, Idaho.

05:30 How come that we went into the restaurant business was the my father and mother came around he said, Well, let’s go around the police country see what it is like you know, so they came over here and went to Moscow and went to a house cafe to get my little sister, three year old sister some cookies. before they left the house cafe they they bought the cookies and the cafe. So that’s how come we started in Moscow. We have the restaurant starting at July the third I remember that because we wanted to have the business of July the fourth.

06:13 People who see the sewer Naga family shopping at the mall in Pocatello, or fishing for trout on Henry’s fork probably do not realize that they are descended from samurais of ancient Japan. Now, Richard sua Nagas young grandson, Richard the second, learns the ancient Japanese martial arts in Pocatello, Idaho. Richards start in Idaho was a bitter one. Even though he was a second generation American, Richard had to face hatred and suspicion during World War Two. Eventually, his hard work and dependability triumphed. He established suenaga masonry now run by his son who who is active in community affairs. His wife Merica sigh. A former dancer who is born and raised in Idaho has introduced 1000s of Pocatello children to the art of dance. She has taught dance classes throughout the country, including Los Angeles, Houston, Las Vegas and San Francisco.

07:21 Deputies community here the nice as you know, they were held dances every once in a while well, she didn’t have a date and I didn’t have a date and the guy said I’ll get your good date. So that’s how I got to nerds.

07:36 Paul and scenario Camorra have lived in the Pocatello area all their lives. Paul is a retired farmer, having taken over his father’s truck gardening business. His father was killed in an accident while helping a neighbor put out a fire. Sanaya is a retired elementary school teacher. She is quite proud of her teaching record and pleased that she received kind words from her former students and their parents. The old cameras were founding members of the Pocatello chapter of the JA CL the Japanese American Citizens League. The Pocatello chapter was established in 1940 and Paul Okamura was president in 1941 when it received its charter, one of the slogans of the J ACL is better Americans in a greater America. The J ACL has 900 members in the Intermountain district of Utah and Idaho and 113 chapters nationwide.

08:46 There were a lot of Orientals working for the railroad. And however, my father didn’t work for the railroad. Oh, I don’t know, couple of years or so. And then he started a little garden on the edge of town. And as a town grew, he had quit his little gardening project moved farther out, away from the city and went into general farming.

09:19 say gee Hi ashita was brought to Idaho during World War Two when he was ordered from his farm in Bellevue, Washington, and relocated in the Minidoka internment camp. After the war, Seiji settled in the Nampa area. He eventually became the first Japanese American bowling center proprietor in the state of Idaho, and possibly in the United States. His son, who was born in the internment camp, is the first Asian American teacher in the Nampa school system, and was recently voted Outstanding Educator. For many years, Seiji did not speak of his experience at the internment camp. But now he feels it is important that the story be told and remembered. He was one of those instrumental in the Idaho Centennial project, establishing a memorial and plaque at the side of the Minidoka camp. And he was present at the groundbreaking ceremony there

10:23 $500 separated whether he was going to buy that farm or her lease and we kept leasing it, year to year lease. So when I went back everything that I had left farm equipment, furniture, household belongings, you know, because he’s only allowed to carry a suitcase a piece. There was somebody living in the house, not the person that I left it in charge of. We showed me a government bill of sale for everything. So I couldn’t, there was an irrigation system on a little farm too and stuff. So I go back then had to start from scratch. There was nothing there. So I stayed out in Idaho. So I happen to be one of the few that was from Bellevue. In fact, I’m the only one from Bellevue that’s still in Idaho.

11:17 Filipino Americans are often called the invisible minority. They seldom congregate in special neighborhoods like China towns, and Little Tokyo, as their Chinese and Japanese counterparts often did. Unlike the Chinese and Japanese, early Filipino immigrants came from a territory of the United States, and they were brought up saluting and pledging allegiance to the American flag in grade school. The first Filipinos to come to the United States mainland in the 1920s were mainly farm laborers and how servants but Latter Day immigrants are largely college educated, and are most prominent in service fields, such as medicine, engineering, and administration.

12:06 Currently on administrator with the Department of Agriculture, my work I deal with the legislature or with the farming community. The Commission’s in the States. They mentioned being commission of alpha growers. I’m involved in certifying Idaho products to be exported to different countries.

12:39 Early Asian settlers came to America to make their fortunes and start new lives. They did not find the streets lined with gold, but they did find the streets lined with opportunities. After the first generations established themselves, they looked to education to help give their children better lives.

13:04 The earlier the earlier Filipinos that came I think is the equivalent of what the Mexicans are now. They were the laborers. That was the first wave of migration.

13:17 When we first came here, really I was lost. Because when we came here, we saw only Well, my son was the only Filipino here. But then, a month later, we saw another Filipino married to American. Then from there, I tried to inquire where Filipinos are Filipinos are if there are any Filipinos around. When we were having about say maybe about five or six families, we started to have we pay inspire them to that we should be having a community.

14:07 So I think most of them that came over our parents that came over they were looking for a better life. I think like most Issei parents, they came with a dream of making and saving money. Quick and going back to Japan. I think that was their intent. From what I have gathered, talking to older people, most of them who are gone. My dad died at the age of 60. So I was 21 at the time, but he told me that that’s what he planned to do. But in the meantime money didn’t grow on trees like they thought it was going to be so he was then he started a family. So you know it was the gave up idea of going back. I think that’s probably the way most of the families that settle here. Some of those that came a little late To the country before immigration was stopped somewhere educated people, and they started businesses when they came here. But the very first ones that come over we started working on farms started working on railroads start working coal mines, mining.

15:21 About 1920, the winter of 1920. I remember it was wintertime, because the first time I saw Snow was, was when we came over by boat into Seattle, the Port of Seattle. And I saw the snow I said, Well, what’s what’s all this on the ground, you know? Well, they expect to either No, and that’s what I saw that and, and then my father went into Seattle to bring us back to Spokane. And then the first thing after we got home was, I heard my father talking, and next room, I knew there was nobody there, you know, I can’t understand what he was doing. So I went around, he was talking on the telephone. That’s the first time I knew about the telephone. So about later on, in, I think the first semester in 1921. I started in grade school at the Hawthorne school in Spokane.

16:18 I was just so thankful that, you know, my grandparents, both mom’s parents, mom’s dad, and also, Grandpa Lou had the foresight to leave China. And to give us the opportunities that we had, you know, for being Americans, it was just, I mean, it was just unreal, I just could not have imagined myself growing up. In in China,

16:41 the United States has the best opportunity for everybody and anybody. I know, I know, one thing, if a person is, is healthy, and willing to work, they never have to starve. Not in the United States,

16:58 I feel good. When I was growing up, there were a lot of people who went out of their way to do to do a lot of things for me. And without those kinds of things that other people did for me, I don’t think I would be what I am now. So

17:16 I was born in beautiful Idaho, which is a tiny, tiny, little community remind my folks had a restaurant there. And then from there, they moved to show shown and eventually moved to black but and we had a restaurant there. Then later on, during the Depression, they had to give it up because of business, you know. And they kept going in debt. So they finally gave that up. And then we moved to Pocatello.

17:48 He came over, more or less to make his fortune as I think the general people the man especially did at that time,

18:02 my father came over from Japan when he was just a young fellow about 16 years old. And he never ever did go back. My mother came as a picture bride. So they, I don’t know whether you’re familiar with that. But, you know, pictures were sent back and forth. But usually the fan was about when was that 1918. And usually, the families back in Japan knew each other, or they because they would say now, if your son would marry my daughter, you know, so on and so forth, you know. So that’s how come the pictures would stock up going back and forth, and they would correspond. So my mother came over that way.

18:52 I think a student here who wants to go to college, is highly motivated would have a better chance of going to college and finishing college than the one who’s in the Philippines, who wants to go to college and doesn’t have the resources to go to college, even though he’s highly motivated. I mean, the chances are, he won’t go and finish college.

19:11 I have benefited from not only the tradition of knowing my grandma, my grandparents on both sides, and I guess cherishing those memories, but even also being fostered in in an environment where education was a very key role. And I think that that’s an outstanding element in most Japanese families. But it’s not a direct education, so to speak. It’s an application to life, my parents would share going to where we would travel, and it wouldn’t matter whether it was from here to black fit or go to a foreign country and they would save up and they would give my sister and I the benefits of traveling. And they taught us that probably 99% of our education would come through travel and learning to deal with people in our circumstances that they were, I guess, smart enough to qualify that statement and say that without a formal education, we’d never truly be able to appreciate those experiences.

20:16 My husband and I had always enjoyed, and he really believes in education. And through his effort and persistence, many of our Chinese Quinn, older friends in our generation, not quite as modern as we we’re not graduates of college, but they are good people. And we tried to push them to send their children to onto school. We have been persuading our friends in Spokane, Walla Walla, even in Pullman, you know, to send the daughters to school to the Chinese attitude is that well, our daughter’s gonna be married and to her husband’s family, why should we spend the money to educate our daughters when they go live? Live with with the other family anyway. But we always tell them that it doesn’t hurt for a girl to to have a good education and be able to support herself, in case of necessity. That then she does not have to obey and, and do what their husbands want them to do.

21:40 We tell them studying is their first job right now. That’s their main job. Later on, they’ll have their own job, which is probably not studying. Right now the nature of

21:56 the various Asian groups have different views on intermarriage. Although many of the first generation Asians strongly preferred their children to marry within their respective groups. Life in America has led to many inter marriages, succeeding generations have had to struggle to reconcile their parents values with the realities of life in Idaho.

22:23 Them going to school is going to school, and you have no time to be dating. And so he said, Well, wait till they’re at least a junior at college before me the junior No, but he didn’t like to have you do it. But he did not forbid you to do it.

22:45 I was married by the time I was a sophomore. In other words, he let he let us go out as long as it’s the right person, right and the right person had to be

22:56 Chinese. Not not that not that we have anything against the American people. It is much better. If you do marry within your own race, you have a background together, the same background the same as the same heart cultures and the same ideas that the Chinese people have.

23:25 We have heard that Filipinos have a very high intermarriage rate. Can you comment on that?

23:35 That’s where I can see. That’s what I can see. Because my son is married to American and my, well my other son is married to Japanese. And my other son is married to American. I mean, my daughter is married to American teachers. Yeah, she married to American so that’s what it is. They’re all I don’t have any pure Filipino children.

24:08 Why why do you think that is? So? Yeah, good question. I.

24:14 Well, the reason? Well, I really can’t say anything about that. But I think the reason is that we don’t have many of our people in care. You see, when he was still a minister in California, the early part of his ministry, they did not allow marriages intermarry, this like that. So, so he cannot marry. So we have been bringing these people who wants to marry another nationality to renew. In fact, we have brought about seven of them

24:54 into that so when you say they can you clarify that who would not allow

24:59 it The Law belong in California, California, California, maybe maybe in United States, I didn’t know how I didn’t know this. But in California, they didn’t. It was not allowed for, for intermediate intermarriages. So he can marry them.

25:17 So Reverend Carla, when you would take them to Reno? Yes.

25:27 Well, how did you feel about the intermarriage show? What do you think of intermarriage?

25:35 I went so far, like, I have been talking to him that in my observation here, all those there are many that we know, who are as good as when they are Filipinos, are they’re Americans, it’s themselves see that there are many that I know that we deal with, that they have the best husbands, they have the, the, they’re the best husbands in the American side.

26:11 The races have been able to mix them and be a cohesive group. You know, I always thought that when I when I was younger, I had a friend who was Caucasian, and I, it was a very dear friend, because we live he just lived down the street aways and, and if something came up, and he proposed to me, I still as much as I thought of him, I wouldn’t have thought of marrying him because at the time, Caucasians were, you know, and Japanese married just just didn’t go. And they had all these laws to that, that regulated us from. So since that time, it’s really been almost a complete turnover. And because we have children in on his side of the famine, and mine, too, who are married to Caucasians, and doing very nicely and I think I think just as much of the daughter in law’s is if you know if they were Japanese and I think the grandchildren naturally. They’re just your grandkids and just extra special. And like you say we’ve got blonde, and darn near blonde, blue eyes and curly hair, you know, I said I’m, I’ve often wondered how mother would think if she saw curly haired granddaughter or grandchild, because in all in Japanese always have straight black hair. And here we have our grandchildren who have pretty curly brown hair and beautiful all his complexion and everything. And somehow I feel like that they are, they’re better looking. There’s much more intelligent in school. I mean, all children, you know, I’ve done very well on school. So far, so they always talk about hybrids, you know, the first strain of a hybrid being so good, whether it’s wheat or corn or whatever. I kind of think that with children, too.

28:17 We, each of us, when we graduated from high school, went to Hawaii for a summer. Yeah, of course, we had been raised, you know, amongst, you know, in Moscow, in essentially an all Caucasian community atmosphere. And so when I went to Hawaii was the first time I had been immersed into, you know, a multicultural setting. And I realized when I came back, that my dad was right, and that I would marry within my, you know, with, at least within the Orientals. And so then Leonard and I started, Leonard already had was working on his master’s. And so we started dating when I was a freshman in college. I was married at the beginning of my sophomore year. And I really feel and you can ask my own children, this because they’ve also gone through this, but I still feel quite strongly, you would

29:07 say you’re raising your family, you and Leonard, in according to the traditional, traditional Chinese

29:14 way, well, from the standpoint of who they marry, okay, and who they want to make lifetime commitments to as far as a family.

29:23 How do you feel about that?

29:26 I don’t know. I never. I just kind of think about more of you getting through college and finding my own career before I even think of having somebody else to marry.

29:40 They have a lot of priorities as to what what kind of guys that we date, they would want us to marry a Chinese and in our race. I agree. And I see their standpoint, but it’s, it’s it’s a modern world and you have to If you’re living in a white world, so I think of myself as both Chinese and American and white and stuff

30:10 Lutece parents were, I’m sure a bit apprehensive, more for her sake, I think than mine. You they were concerned that she wouldn’t finish school that she had been a valedictorian and all of these things in school and they had great aspirations for her. She had great aspirations and they thought when she married somebody, somebody from college. Gonna go. I think it’s worked out alright.

30:44 I think it’s also, you know, parents never tell you really what, you know, how they feel. I mean, it’s part of the culture they infer, right? I mean, it’s all in for, and I think my mom has inferred to me that when she goes all in on, I won’t be there as a girl, you know, usually the woman take care of your aging parents. And, and he was quite, she was quite apprehensive about that. But I won’t be around, of course, because then I, you know, I follow my husband. And so what she was born.

31:12 So how is it? No,

31:15 she comes every two years, sometimes with my mom or with just a mom, I mean, with my dad, and she comes into visit and I tell her you know, when she needs me, I’ll be ready. Around my kids do so.

31:32 My mother would have been worried if I married somebody else, just you know, be sure you know what you’re doing. Be sure it works. No specific rate

31:43 of divorce. Everybody in America gets divorced.

31:47 At the time, the time we were going to get married. Another one from Los monos. My hometown. I was in the process of getting divorced with his American wife, who happens to be a good family friend. So that was something that my mother as well. Are you aware of this? Are you aware of that? I? Of course said yes. But like any ideal is it ever happened to me?

32:20 All Asian groups have experienced forms of discrimination. In early days, there were laws preventing Asians from becoming citizens and owning land. Prejudice was extreme against the Japanese Americans during World War Two. An unfortunate example of this was the construction of Camp Minidoka. For 1000s of Japanese Americans were interned.

32:47 I’m proud to be a Japanese American. Now. I wasn’t, I was always proud of that. But it meant a lot of trouble during the war years. But having weathered the storm and went through all the troubles, and getting through it, you know, in good shape. I always say that I’m proud to be a Japanese American.

33:17 I’ve been here ever since 1920. But I could not become a US citizen until 1943. Paul Buck was one of the persons that got this law change in the US government. And so as soon as we were able to join, my husband and I a went to get our citizenship paper at that time. And if you’re not a citizen, of course, you cannot buy land or building or anything like that. So at that time, you have to Buyten your children’s name, because they are citizens and they are allowed to buy. And we cannot even vote all these years until after we become citizens.

34:06 I had to do a little bit better in order to succeed. See, that’s been that way throughout my life. If I want to hold down a job, no matter what, I had to put out a little bit more effort to be a little bit better than anything I do. So keep my low depression, some that hold on to me and get rid of the others. But if I were equal, I would have been the first one to let off. That is a racially because if you’re competing with a bunch of Caucasians, you’re you’re just mud unless you excel in your ability a little bit better.

34:41 There was quite a bit of prejudice against Chinese people at that time. And we saw many customers, you know, just walk past our door and went to some pre sales because we’re Chinese people. They just wouldn’t come in

35:01 My neighbor, Caucasian friends, we went fishing. And on the way we stopped at a restaurant and I want to eat some trip because it’s a shrimp so much. And the guy poked me you gonna eat that bug? I said, What do you mean bug? Yeah, that’s a seafood. It’s real good. And the guy said, Well, my mother told me that you shouldn’t eat shrimp for bass bugs. And I ate it boy with gusto. You know? And the guy looked at I said, Boy, that must be good. You should like it. Don’t just be sure I do. Is it give me a pitch? I saw I didn’t want I said, Hey, this is good. I can’t wait isn’t a bug. And a lot of the people were like that.

35:42 I stopped, it was a noon hour. So I thought I’d stop and my wife and my son was about a year and a half years old.

35:54 Stopped at a restaurant there and didn’t get waited on. And finally the waitress came over and said, Are you Japanese nicer to Japanese descent? Yes. Well, we don’t serve you. So I think she was more embarrassed than I was. But we left

36:12 call me names. Having to do with my race. It takes me more personal than if they tell me that I’m ugly. Because you are aware. I think it takes me it. It bothers me more because they’re insulting my whole race. They’re insulting my whole background. And what I believe in, and that’s that’s worse to me than somebody calling me something that really is offended.

36:38 didn’t flinch was the dean a woman at that time? You know, I she had a good talk with my sisters as well. You must go out with American boys too much, you know, I mean, but of course my sister didn’t go overboard, but she have her regular friends. So well. If the other students can keep can keep the boyfriends why why why can I you know, go out on dates with them.

37:13 Camp life, I spent two winters severe cold that we weren’t used to coming from Seattle area and real hot summers that

37:26 we weren’t used to

37:29 the lack of privacy and that was one of the worst. And of course, the cramped quarters. When I went back into camp, I had my mother and two sisters and my wife and I baby in the 20 by 20 foot room. So you can imagine no running water just bear light bulbs hanging down from the ceiling. No partitions. No toilets was a community toilet. I guess by the time I went there, it was a little better used to be they didn’t have toilets. It was outdoor without water. Those that went and opened up the camp and then a dhoka had the worst of it. That was dusty when he got there in August, July and August. Dustin ankle deep. Then in September, October, the rain snow came and it just got mud. You leave your shoes in the mud. You know what I mean? It slip off.

38:36 As long as the country realizes that we need immigrants to help us in our industries and our labor supply. I don’t think it will happen. But when that happens, though, then we probably have some people in Washington who don’t realize the significance of keeping our industries moving or keeping our society far develop or far more developed than other countries like Japan or Europe,

39:05 rapid sea that he share a heading or San Pedro San Francisco we headed east and I knew we’re going to Mexico I didn’t have I didn’t I didn’t know how to navigate to like me. I had a Skipper’s license to hold on hold on suitable. And by doing that it took us about 15 days to get back from Hawaii but we finally ended up in San Pedro see our home port was was in San Francisco. Well, we got in okay, then you know who’s waiting for me? Guess who? The FBI. Now about a dozen. They come up and they grabbed me and says now don’t you get away you’re gonna get off the ship. We don’t crush you.

39:51 I know that a lot of people at my school like me, but they always know that I’m there for them when they need me.

40:04 Do they know that your app Japanese? No.

40:09 I don’t care well,

40:12 to any of the kids that you play with, give you trouble because you have Japanese?

40:19 No, but there’s one kid who gave when I was at my little girl school.

40:25 But that wasn’t because you were Japanese. Just because you’re

40:31 30 years old.

40:35 I’m the only I’m the only Filipinos in, in my profession that I know. And when I go to staffing, I know people if they, you know, I initially they have, they would. I don’t think it’s making fun, but they would call attention to like to some how I would pronounce some words. And I, you know, I think, I don’t know, I I’ve never experienced that before we I was an exchange student before and, and wasn’t that, you know, not much attention was was given at that time. But here, it seems to me that maybe people are not used to other culture as much or, you know, like we were saying before, there’s that veneer of discrimination maybe to other than, you know, to a culture other than your own.

41:28 I think is true, just as any other person, because we’ve been friends for two and a half years now. And no difference. No, I like him because he’s steroid. Yeah. Because different or anything.

41:49 For you, a youngster don’t realize that any of you don’t realize what happened to us. But right now, the far Pocatello goes, I think it’s a good time. I wouldn’t be anywhere else.

42:03 If there if there’s any discrimination right now, it’s probably more than a positive point. And a negative, I think those that are still continuing to discriminate are probably a little bit ignorant of the facts. You know, when I say a positive discrimination, I think, I think because of because of my father, and people like him and our grandfathers, and they earned the right, they earned that respect, I think from from this community and the country in general. And so if anything, it’s it’s more a matter of pride now to be Japanese, because so much more is expected of you. But it’s it’s a wonderful challenge that I think that we’re as a race, I think we’re up to 30 children during the day being discriminated against, no, I again, I feel that they’re looked up to the they adapt, and they accept all of the different races very, very well. In fact, you know, one of the things that I’m happy to say is that when someone else for example, a black is discriminated, my children can understand that and they usually side with that poor unfortunate.

43:18 I had never had to face a problem that was off my series. So I said to him, Well, have you had to when you’re thinking about it, and they said, No, not really. And so I think we have lived in a community where they have accepted it. And of course, we’ve been here all our lives, and maybe that makes a difference.

43:44 They look beyond what color you are, what race you are, they look for the person. They definitely do. So. I mean, sure. You’d have some people you know, look at the outside.

43:59 As roughly around two weeks, when a definite word came that we had to leave, we weren’t going to be able to stay the summer. We had talked about it ever since December 7, but it was middle of May when I left and we had to just about two weeks notice to get everything in to get all your business in order. Dispose of anything. I sold a refrigerator for $5. So pick up my teen 36 model Ford pickup for $50 and a man who was I considered a good friend traded with me at a service station where I figured it was a good friend. He said I will send you the other 25 When you let me know when you get there your address, which I did. I never did see him again. So I got $25 for 1936 pickup.

45:02 Well, the propaganda was that the Japanese were treacherous. You cannot trust them. They are bleep that. See. So after that, that incident they give us the wish fricative we couldn’t even leave Los Angeles Did you know that they restricted us to the places place we lived.

45:27 household goods we just boarded up in a house and and left it is only allowed to take a suitcase of peace. So we left with was just what we could carry.

45:42 One day we went in there, there was a drunken there, he saw us eating. He got on the table, start preaching. He says we got to get rid of them. We got to kill them, causing us a lot of trouble. That was us, who had nothing, just a fork and knife. And the guy was with he was man’s in Khartoum. And I told him, I said, you know, the book can be attacked, not by one person, but the whole mob here.

46:10 But it was a hellhole? Well, I felt that I didn’t think it was right, really, because it was

46:29 they were supposed to be citizens and to be put into a place like that. And I guess, more or less thought that they were entitled to more than that if they had to be put under some kind of security. So I didn’t think it was at all fair.

46:50 I gotten over the disappointment I had and went through hardships or went through on economy evacuation. But there are people that need to know and people that would understand if they got the story. What if they just read propaganda, and listen to it, and never been told. They would carry that on, they’d be teaching that to their children and continuously grow. This experience that we went through should never happen to any group of people.

47:23 I think this monument is long overdue, the Japanese American Citizens League supported it with money. We support it as an educational tool. We support it as a reminder to all Americans of America’s rather sordid past, and we hope that it is a symbol of better times and better things to come.

47:49 As time goes on, Asian families have had to compromise between maintaining the traditions of the past and adjusting to the culture of the present. Each group, each family and each individual must find a comfortable balance between these two forces.

48:12 They used to have what they call Japanese language summer schools here before World War Two. And most of us attended those and we weren’t taught the basics, how to read and write. But through not using it. I have lost all of mine.

48:45 A lot of good culture from Japan. That mixed with the American culture it would help but I think the most important thing that I taught my son was to respect the law.

49:01 Well said it might be children the children nowadays they call they call you by the name, first name first name or something like that. Or but I teach these grandchildren to say we are their grandparents. And they had to say grandparents to us whatever we want them Apple or Lolo or grandma or but really they mostly are talking only in English that is my that is my my my mistake because I am not. I have not taught them our dialect see with others. They they insist them to learn Mexican Chinese and Japanese they teach them their dialect talk to them in during their infant days, you know, but me I never did to my children or the grandchildren In fact, I, there was a comment one time that somebody read a, an article that was written by my son in a magazine. And this, this friend told me, he has Shame on you, they said, You, you have not even touched your child to speak your dialect.

50:24 Again, this is just because of me, but I’ve encouraged my kids to read, you know, I mark the stories and say, Okay, you gotta read this, you know, when you’re going to bed tonight, and, you know, I mean, I’m going out, and I seek these books, and I’m, I’m one of them that was really strong in wanting to bring some of the books into the library on on Asians. And when I’m making my donations, I, for example, buy, there’s a heritage book company out of Honolulu, and I’m, my, my donation this year, I’m going to ask him to send and get some of these, you know, consider some of these books.

51:03 Very often speak to them about the Philippine traditions, how family relationships are not with the idea that, hey, you gotta follow this, essentially, you know, this is how I was brought up. This is how things would have been in the Philippines, or at least in my specific community. Again, as I said, not specifically, Hey, you gotta follow this, because this is the Filipino way more more sharing my experience with them. We asked them to make use of that the lesson or phase of life, as it would be adapted to their, their society now or the place where they leave.

51:54 David is very interested in older kids is, is quite interested in being aware of, I guess you’d say the Asian part of his heritage, like her

52:05 telling us what the stories were, we understood how they thought and how our code our code, through those stories, I, I learned the culture of our background and stuff that was really good.

52:21 They don’t perceive themselves, any different from the other kids. And I think that’s a very healthy, healthy attitude, you know, and I think, I think they can weather anything, you know, that will come their way having that kind of an attitude that, you know, I’m not, I’m a person like you, basically. Now, I’m not saying they’re color, blind, but you know, they know their heritage, but they’re also asserting that I’m a person first, before I’m a Filipino American, you know, and I think that’s, you know, and I’m glad I’m hearing that from all these kids.

52:53 Growing up with with my parents, it was a fairly typical American family where there wasn’t a lot of real closeness. And when you got to be 18, you left home, and you wrote every so often and went back on major holidays, but there was not a real closeness. And going to the Philippines it was, it was really an experience, being able to share that real tight cohesiveness that extends clear and to people that you barely even know. And that was very, very powerful to me, and I don’t want my children to

53:25 lose. They have a sense of obligation and responsibility. And I’ve tried to impress that on my children, not to forget when someone does you a favor, or helps you in any way.

53:46 America has often been called the melting pot, where immigrants from all over the world assimilate into American society, losing the original cultural ties, or interviews with Asian Americans of Idaho, fit better with a more recently proposed metaphor of a tossed salad, where each element retains its own distinct flavor, but all combined into a single delicious experience. Certainly Idaho has become richer because
of the contributions and hard work of the Asian Americans. Obtaining acceptance and recognition has not been easy for them. But in spite of the struggles of starting life over in a strange land, and the pain of the prejudice they have had to face, the people we spoke with place a high value on the beauty and advantages of the state in which they live. One constant theme heard in all our interviews was that
Idaho is my home

54:47 that I’d rather live in Nampa than anywhere else in Idaho someplace in anywhere else, especially Western Idaho.

54:55 Far Pocatello goes I think it’s a good time. I wouldn’t be anywhere else.

55:01 I feel that Moscow and the University of Idaho and Washington state to help help our family to be what we are. And Idaho is it’s a very good state to be in and I although I we lived in my parents and I lived in Washington for six years, but really, Moscow is my home.

00:05 other lives Asian Americans in Idaho. No. Okay.

00:14 And yeah, I think if you could really watch and see where, you know, I stumbled, shall I start Alan? Okay.

00:22 Okay, wearing a microphone so I can hear you and you want to talk

00:26 to him. So tell me if this Idaho one of the most is that good enough.

00:30 That’s another you were talking about before. That’s what we’ve got yet. And I’ll go back.

00:35 I was a little bit loud earlier. Okay.

00:45 Start anytime he says, okay, Idaho, one of the most rugged and beautiful Northwestern states. She’s, it’s always at first. Okay, Idaho, one of the most rugged and beautiful north western states. We picture it’s past people by Native Americans and white explorers, settlers and pioneers. Little is ever said about other races. However, Asians have played an important part in working the mines, constructing the railroads, cultivating the farms, establishing the businesses, teaching the children and helping to build this great western state. Although there is occasional mention of Chinese miners, few people realize that in 1870, during Idaho’s Gold Rush, over 1/4 of the people in Idaho were Chinese, and that Boise, the population center was 1/3 Chinese, though many whites tried to treat the Chinese miners farmers and business people fairly. The story of the early Chinese in Idaho were laced with suspicion, prejudice and discrimination. The ones large Chinatown located in Boise is now gone. But the Chinese have had a continuous presence in Idaho from the time of state. I’ll say that again. The ones large Chinatown located in Boise is now gone. But the Chinese have had a continuous presence in Idaho from the time of statehood to the present day. The Japanese came to Idaho starting in the 1880s to work on the railroad, many states to farm and then branched out into other occupations. But we seldom talk about the fact that in 1943, the eighth largest population center in Idaho was camp Minidoka a Japanese internment camp in the desert. This is a long one, I have to redo that. But we seldom talk about the fact that in 1943, the eighth largest population center in Idaho was camp Minidoka. A Japanese internment camp in the desert north of Twin Falls. That’s a really hard one for me to do. I went to the eighth largest population center in Idaho was coming to DOCA. A Japanese internment camp in the desert. North I guess I should put a comma in the desert is to do north and Twin Falls. Does that sound okay? Okay, take

03:15 it from the top with the Japanese. Okay.

03:17 The Japanese came to Idaho starting in the 1880s to work on the railroad. Hmm, excuse me. The Japanese came to Idaho starting in the 1880s to work on the railroad. Many stayed to farm and then branched out into other occupations. But we seldom talk about the fact that in 1943, the eighth largest population center in Idaho was completed dhoka a Japanese internment camp in the desert, north of Twin Falls. 1000s of Japanese Americans were brought there after being forced from their homes on the West Coast. Living in hastily constructed bare and crowded barracks. They did their best to make the area livable by cultivating gardens to literally make the desert bloom. The story continues to the present day as Filipinos and Southeast Asians come to Idaho looking for a better life. Like the earlier Asians, they tried hard to fit into an unfamiliar, often and friendly environment, while at the same time remaining true to their heritage and beliefs. These brave and hardworking Asians show us all other faces of Idaho. Now we go to another part here. Okay, Marie, Marie lelou came to the United States from China when she was 16 years old. She was the first Asian to graduate from the University of Idaho in Spokane. Her father was a herb, Dr. Herbert herb Oh, yeah, yeah, that should be her father. I said here yeah, that’s I Okay, spell check doesn’t start off. Yeah, my Marie Lilu came to the United States from China when she was 16 years old. She was the first Asian to graduate from the University of Idaho. in Spokane, her father was a Chinese ER doctor. In 1926, the family moved to Moscow, Idaho, where they were the first Chinese family to settle as permanent residents. Her family owned and operated the grill Cafe, which is now the old Hong Kong restaurant on Main Street. Marie married Milu and they raised five children. Two of their daughters, Mary Lou and Claire chin we’re currently are two of their daughters, Mary Lou and Claire chin are currently teachers in nearby towns. In the 1920s, gaining the acceptance of the white community was difficult. And to this day, the loose and chants face occasional prejudice, but Marie and her family have found that their Chinese values of strong family unity and hard work have helped them to find a true home in Moscow Idaho. Okay, now SOT people who see the sewer Naga family shopping at the mall in Pocatello are fishing for trout on Henry’s fork probably do not realize that they are descended from samurais of ancient Japan. Now, Richard sua Nagas young grandson, Richard the second learns the ancient Japanese martial arts in Pocatello, Idaho. You have an OB there, okay. Richard’s starred in Idaho was a better one. Even though he was a second generation American, Richard had to face hatred and suspicion during World War Two. Eventually, his hard work and dependability triumphed. He established suenaga masonry now run by his son Hugh, who is active in community affairs. His wife Merica sigh. A former dancer who is born and raised in Idaho, has introduced 1000s of Pocatello children to the art of dance. She has taught dance classes throughout the country, including Los Angeles, Houston, Las Vegas, San Francisco. Oh, I mean, we have Houston again. Okay. I don’t know. Shall I go with his wife? Okay. His wife Merica sigh. A former dancer who is born and raised in Idaho has introduced 1000s of Pocatello children to the art of dance. She has taught dance classes throughout the country, including Los Angeles, Houston, Las Vegas and San Francisco. Good. Paul and scenario Camorra have lived in the Pocatello area all their lives. Paul is a retired farmer. Having taken over his father struck gardening business. His father was killed in an accident while helping a neighbor put out a fire Sanaya is a retired Elementary. Sanaya is a retired elementary school teacher. She is quite proud of her teaching record and pleased that she received kind words from her former students and their parents. The Oh cameras were founding members of the Pocatello chapter of the the Oh cameras were founding members of the Pocatello chapter of the JA CL the Japanese American Citizens League. The Pocatello chapter was established in 1940 and Paul Okamura was president in 1941. When it received its charter, one of the slogans of the JCL is better Americans in a greater America. Today the JC

09:22 okay

09:28 today the JC al No, excuse me today the J ACL has 900 members in Intermountain district. Now. This is hard one for me today. They today. The J ACL has 900 members in the Intermountain district of Utah and Idaho and 113 chapters nationwide.

10:00 I say ghire seat. say gee Hi ashita was brought to Idaho during World War Two when he was ordered from his farm in Bellevue, Washington and relocated in the Minidoka internment camp. After the war, Seiji settled in the Nampa area. He eventually became the first Japanese American bowling center proprietor in the state of Idaho, and possibly in the United States. His son, who was born in the internment camp, is the first Asian American teacher in the Nampa school system, and was recently voted Outstanding Educator. For many years, Seiji did not speak of his experience at the internment camp. But now he feels it is important that the story be told and remembered. He was one of those instrumental in the Idaho Centennial project, establishing a memorial and plaque at the side of the Minidoka camp, and he was present at the groundbreaking ceremony there. For Filipino Americans are often called the invisible minority. They seldom congregate in special neighborhoods like China towns, and little Tokyo’s, as their Chinese and Japanese counterparts often did. And like the jet unlike the Chinese and Japanese, early Filipino immigrants came from a territory of the EU, should I should I say United States or us? Okay. Unlike the Chinese and Japanese, early Filipino immigrants came from a territory of the United States, and they were brought up saluting and pledging allegiance to the American flag in grade school. The first Filipinos to come to the United States mainland in the 1920s. were mainly farm laborers and how servants but Latter Day immigrants are largely college educated, and are most prominent in service fields, such as medicine, engineering, and administration.

12:16 I see that your paragraph down there and when we put back in on your other Oh, okay.

12:29 A Boise group of Filipino American families discussed with us the issues and family values, assimilation, prejudice, and intermarriage facing Filipinos in Idaho. The vagus, you know, so I say that and then how do we link the vagus just all of a sudden we say I guess it’s

12:49 part of the discussion. I would don’t say discuss with us just see discussed, okay, because we haven’t introduced the fact that we’re talking to these people yet.

12:58 Right. So we have that with us in here. So I’d take that out and discussed issues.

13:05 And then this is this is kind of a conclusion as to what they said. I think the first one,

13:11 okay. Okay. And then on the last one we say, okay, a Boise group of Filipino American families discussed issues of family values, assimilation, prejudice, and intermarriage facing I’m a flat a Boise group of Filipino American families discussed issues of family values, assimilation, prejudice, and intermarriage facing Filipinos in Idaho. The Vegas’s remasters, bulldozers, and mono buys. Were proud of their place in American society. They seemed hopeful about the future facing their children. And then the America is a melting pot or what? And then,

14:04 whatever was next after Oh, no, we don’t do the clouds.

14:12 Are we doing great? Much better? Much worse, the

14:15 sense of isolation?

14:16 So we were looking for where we should go from here.

14:20 How about the sense of isolation about the color but he

14:23 has mark that? It’s gonna be

14:28 Yeah, you’re done off camera. Everything else has to be on camera. Did you read this? Yes. Okay, now we’re on camera.

14:36 Okay. Now let’s see how she’s

14:41 gonna be on camera. So we were scrolling. All we are scrolling you Right.

14:45 Good. Thank goodness for Joanne. Okay. So so we this these are bumps Yeah, these are pants Oh bump, one bump to gate and this is bump. One. Yeah. And how old is this? Yeah, this

15:01 you can read also. Okay.

15:03 Be one bump, bump. Okay.

15:08 All this. Nice. That’s Rachel. I was scrolling.

15:12 Okay. Bump, bump, bump. And how about this one has to be on camera. Okay. Okay, okay.

15:26 Okay, now we’re reading the sense of isolation.

15:29 No, we’re not. I guess. He said that you’ll be back on camera for that one.

15:34 Oh, he just told me this too. Okay. Well, we’ll ask him when it comes back. Okay, we’ll just skip that because I guess you can introduce this anytime. early age, early Asian settlers came to America to make the fortunes and start new lives. They did not find the streets lined with gold. But they did find the streets lined with opportunities. After the first generations established themselves, they look to education to help give their children better lives. Okay. The very wonder if you should do that again. Okay.

16:16 It did not find the streets lined with gold, but they did find the streets lined with opportunities. Okay, so underline did

16:23 okay. Early Asian settlers came to America to make their fortunes and start new lives. They did not find the streets. They did not. They did not find the streets lined with gold. But they did find the streets lined with opportunities. After the first generations established themselves, they looked to education is that look or looked? Yeah, so we need an ED there. Okay. After the first generations established themselves, they looked to education to help give their children better lives.

17:02 To help find better lives for their children

17:05 with help after the first establish themselves, they look to education to help, that’s probably that’s fine. It’s just that I couldn’t read it smoothly. I’m gonna take that whole one. Okay. Early Asian settlers came to America to make their fortunes and start new lives. They did not find the streets lined with gold, but they did find the streets lined with opportunities. Did I give that enough emphasis.

17:31 You don’t need to emphasize the did not need to emphasize

17:35 Okay, early Asian settlers came to America to make their fortunes and start new lives. They did not find the streets lined with gold, but they did find the streets lined with opportunities. After the first generations established themselves, they looked to education to help give their children better lives. The various Asian groups have different views on intermarriage. Although many of the first generation Asians strongly preferred their children to marry within their respective groups. Life in America has led to many inter marriages, succeeding generations have had to struggle to reconcile their parents values with the realities of life in Idaho. All Asian groups have experienced forms of us forms, right, okay. All Asian groups have experienced forms of discrimination. In early days, there were laws preventing Asians from becoming citizens and owning land. Prejudice was extreme against the Japanese. Oh, read.

18:51 Okay, since you stopped, I forgot there was something to take out there. I’m sorry. I’m gonna take this. I don’t think it’s totally correct. Actually. Government didn’t take their land. They just did two weeks to get out and they were forced to lose their land, but

19:08 it’s gonna be historically correct. However, this actually taking we’re not done yet. Sorry. We’re taking out some more. All Asian groups have experienced forms of discrimination. In early days, there were laws preventing Asians from becoming citizens and owning land. Prejudice was extreme against the Japanese Americans during World War Two. An unfortunate example of this was the construction of Camp Minidoka. For 1000s of Japanese Americans were interned. Period. Okay. But something as time goes on. Asian families have had to compromise between maintaining the traditions of the past and adjusting to the culture of the present. As time goes on Asian families had to compromise between maintaining the traditions of the past and adjusting to the culture of the present. Each group, each family, and each individual must find a comfortable balance between these two forces. Should we change

20:20

between these two forces? 20:22 Okay. Each group, each family and each individual must find a comfortable balance between these two forces. Did we read everything? I think so. Okay. No, we’ll see how that camera reads. We wanted to ask him about that. Oh, yeah. Alan, what did you decide?

20:50 On the Klauss? Are she on camera for that?

20:53 No. Okay. Then we’ll read it. Okay. One more?

21:03 Where did they go? You have a sense of isolation.

21:08 The sense of isolation and the struggle between tradition and assimilation that we have heard about in the interviews with Chinese and Japanese? Yeah. No one. The sense of isolation and the struggle between tradition and assimilation that we have heard about in the interviews with Chinese and Japanese families. were evident also in our visit with a colleague of ours, a Filipino couple who moved to Boise, Idaho, from California to be near their son. So long run, I wonder how we can break that

21:41 to Boise, Idaho from California? Come you want to say a Filipino couple period and then say they moved?

21:53 We would probably have because this is all one sentence. How does that sound? Okay. Do you think it’s a long? Okay. The sense of isolation and the struggle between tradition and assimilation that we have heard about in the interviews with Chinese and Japanese families were evident also in our visit with a colleague house with a colleague house I think I should bring my Yeah, it’s gonna be a period. Okay. The sense of isolation and struggle between tradition and assimilation that we have heard about in the interviews with Chinese and Japanese families were evident also in our visit with a colleague house a Filipino couple. They moved to Boise, Idaho from California to be near their son at the mountain home Air Force Base. Until their retirement the Kalia house we’re active in church ministries. Okay, yeah,

22:50 I need a copy of the script. You don’t either because you didn’t read it right off. Okay, so I’m gonna run this forward to this point. Okay. Good, be relaxed and beautiful.

23:05 Now this is the part that this is the part that I so I hope I don’t see. I practice and see and discrimination. The ones large Chinatown located in Boise is now gone. But the Chinese have had the Japanese scam to Idaho starting in the 1880s to work on the railroad, many State Farm and then branched out into the occupations, but we seldom talk about the fact that in 1943, the eighth largest and that squinting oh my

23:31 i don’t know I’m fixing you here I was working

23:34 with 1000s of Japanese Americans from abroad after being forced the West Coast living in hastily constructed bare and crowded barracks. They did their best to make the area livable. Okay. I’m not squinting. Okay. Okay.

23:47 To be to be smiling and relaxed. We have so much make believe you’re you’re telling

23:53 Yeah, like the earlier Asians they tried hard to fit into an unfamiliar and often unfriendly environment. Other phases, this program of other phases of their lives is made by people of Chinese, Japanese and Filipino ancestry, who are members of the Palouse Asian American Association of Northern Idaho. Okay. Where do we start?

24:15 So right at the top of the screen, it says this program, okay. Okay, let me go inside. Remember to smile you were reading probably a little bit too fast, but fast is good. Yeah, I was supposed to run slow.

24:28 Yeah, I was just trying to test okay.

24:33 Oh, yeah. Okay. I’m gonna check your voice level against when you read.

24:40 This program of other faces other lives was made by people of Chinese, Japanese and Filipino ancestry, who are all members to long run. This program about their faces or their lives was made by people of Chinese, Japanese and Filipino ancestry, who are members of the Palouse Asian American Association of Northern Idaho. That’s a long one. I don’t see any way No, no, I just have to remember this. Catch my breath and

25:16 the monitor okay. This program of other faces or their lives was made by people of Chinese, Japanese and Filipino ancestry who are members of the Palouse Asian American Association of Northern Idaho, and Eastern Washington. Oh, is there a way we can pause?

25:41 It is a project. Yeah,

25:42 maybe? Yeah, it is a project. Yeah, it is long, okay.

25:54 Okay, now Alan has to rewind. Oh, poor Alan. Do you have to go all the way over? Oh, yeah. goes.

26:06 You don’t have to yell. You got a microphone. I’m sorry. I just have to recycle it. It’s it’ll be fast. Okay. Okay.

26:17 Good. He needs this exercise.

26:21 That’s positive reframe. You agree? It’s a little bit long. Yeah.

26:31 When I write these things, I don’t think about people actually seeing it. That’s my problem. I’ll know better next time.

26:37 I think it’s a common thing too. And I tend to do that string alone. I just can’t stop I have to put in everything. And forgetting that that’s why we have periods.

26:51 I should know because for newspaper writing is supposed to keep sentences short. I do a lot of all these long sentences in mind. I don’t know some of them. Were just

27:06 Oh, this one is all yours. You’re taking credit for this one. Yeah. This program of other faces other lives was made by people Chinese. Cheese, Alan is gone. Okay. This program of other faces other lives was made by people of Chinese, Japanese and Filipino ancestry, who are members of the Palouse Asian American Association of Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington. It is a project supported by the Idaho Centennial Commission ethnic heritage committee. They traveled the state to uncover some of the unwritten and untold stories of what it was like an is like to be Asian American in Idaho. Do the Asians blend in? Or do they maintain their own culture? How do they raise their children? How are they treated by the white neighbors? Do they feel at home in Idaho? Are things changing for the better or the worse for them? How do children feel who are often the only Asians in their classes or school? listen in as to be raised these questions in interviews and discussions and learn about an often neglected part of the story of Idaho.

28:30 Okay, now we go to the conclusion. Oh, that’s wonderful.

28:42 He’s working on

28:43 so he has to move it here. Looking at first. America has often been called the melting pot has often been called the melting pot, where immigrants from all over the world assimilate into the American into the American society into American society. Either one, okay, whatever feels good, okay. into American into the American society into this into society. Maybe we’ll remove it the into American society.

29:12 Yeah, it’s gonna take a minute, we’re just

29:17 going to practice Yeah, into American society. From all over the world assimilate into American society, losing their losing their original cultural ties. America has often been called the melting pot, where immigrants from all over the world assimilate into American society, losing their original cultural ties. Our interviews with the Asian Americans of Idaho, fit better with a more recently proposed metaphor of a tossed salad where each element retains permit

29:51 so you’re not on screen for this, but go ahead. Oh, no, no, because we’re going to show the people eating.

29:57 Oh, there you go. How wonderful. Did you actually know that maybe this is the one he meant. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, maybe we should tell him he’s he’s listening to us. Okay. Yeah, I think he has we’re each element retains its own distinct flavor, but all combined into a single delicious experience. Certainly Idaho has been richer because of the contributions and hard work of its Asian Americans. Obtaining acceptance and recognition has not been easy for them. But in spite of the struggles of starting life over in a strange land and the pain of the prejudice they have had to face the people we spoke with place a high value on the beauty and advantages of the state in which they live. In all our interviews, we heard the constant theme that we want but that we heard the constant theme probably you’ll say something different there though. That Idaho is my home Let me pardon me

30:57 I’m just wondering about the court where was showing let me ask you.

32:03 We’re going to read it all and then he’ll cut some heart. Oh, some parts of cut to the people eating but

32:09 we’ll put it all on camera for now. Okay, for now, that’s the decision.

32:13 Yeah. So so he’s still going? Yeah, it will probably be

32:30 well, have a pause after cultural ties Okay, that’ll probably be where they switched to the other one.

32:36 Give it a long enough pause. Okay.

32:42 I think this is going to say something else because it doesn’t look like he’s changed the the thing even though that’s why I sent it to

32:49 all forms No, we’re not there yet.

33:03 Are introduced with it and just bear with a more recently proposed metaphor of a tossed salad.

33:11 Here we go. Okay.

33:16 And you say Pause,

33:18 pause it. Just a slight pause after cultural ties. Okay. Smile.

33:28 America has often been called the melting pot, where immigrants can I start over again, Alan. Joy SUTA hits headphones. America has often been called the melting pot for immigrants from all over the world. assimilate into the internet. I’ll read for now a little bit. America has often been called the melting pot, where immigrants from all over the world assimilate into American society, losing their original cultural ties or interviews. Okay, in our interviews, we pause.

34:00 I hear I can hear you.

34:03 Yeah. Okay.

34:11 America has often been called the melting pot, where immigrants from all over the world assimilate into American society, losing their original cultural ties. Our interviews with Asian Americans of Idaho fit better with a more recently proposed metaphor of a tossed salad, where each element retains its own distinct flavor, but all combined into a single delicious experience. Certainly Idaho has become richer because of the contributions and hard work of the Asian Americans. Obtaining acceptance and recognition has not been easy for Okay, stop. Okay. Too fast.

35:00 Oh, okay, does she need to start from the start from the top or just this last? Okay. She said he says you’re leaning a little bit to the left get set yourself up straight.

35:12 Okay. Better. Okay.

35:14 So

35:16 certainly, certainly certainly. Certainly Idaho has

35:24 certainly Idaho Okay.

35:27 Certainly Idaho has become richer because of the contributions and hard work of the Asian Americans obtaining acceptance and recognition has not been easy for them. But in spite of the struggles of starting life over in a strange land and the pain of the prejudice they have had to face the people we spoke with place a high value on the beauty and advantages of the state in which they live. One constant theme heard in all our interviews was that Idaho is my home that’s good. We probably shouldn’t it’s

36:06 always my hormones

36:06 yeah

36:11 we do that one one more time because that always went home yellow was okay,

36:15 we’re gonna be shooting memorize that. recycles.

36:21 Okay which one? Which one? Okay, memorize which one

36:27 last paragraph? I don’t think so. Whereas when I’m recycling Yeah, you had a perfect up until the very last the constant theme that Idaho is my home. You know what I’m trying to say? Right, right up to that point. It

36:49 was perfect. Actually what it is is it seems like in my mind, I’m done but in spite of

37:06 I’ll take forever. There’s no rapid rapid Yeah, that’s no fast forward that fast forward like some Well,

37:16 there’s one more paragraph and it’s gonna be real good.

37:19 Okay, I think they hope so. Be a wrap as we say in the business be a wrap.

37:24 Yeah. When it when something’s right and printed. They say it’s a wrap. I don’t know where I learned that.

37:31 It’s a wrap up. It’s done. Now we’re gonna wrap it up. Yeah, so how’s the

37:40 certainly Idaho is certainly Idaho has been richer because of the contributions and hard work of its Asian Americans. Obtaining acceptance and recognition has not been easy for them. But in spite of the struggles of starting life over in a strange land, and the pain of the prejudice they’ve had to face, the people we spoke with place a high value on the beauty and advantages of the state in which they live. In all our interviews, we heard the constant thing that Idaho is my home

38:10 that Idaho is my home. It’s not quantified it’s really I think it’s it strikes a good it’s a good statement of people who say they are you know, they’re having some difficulties but on the whole this is their home. Yeah, and they’ve accepted that and they’re saying accept us positively and just as we have accepted you positively I’m think the message is very, very, very good. Yeah, it’s

38:38 good. And it is true. They all did say that. Yeah,

38:41 that’s what Murray said we heard the constant theme that Idaho is my home

38:51 they were partly filming that today.

38:53 The garments are it’s because gardens

38:58 what are these? They’re not garnets. I think this looks like amethyst, Amethyst.

39:04 And Jade.

39:05 Fears now I can steal the Jade you can steal the others. This is very interesting. Well, maybe maybe those are those are empathic to our garnets are a lot darker.

39:25 Must be guarded here though.

39:27 I can remember Kathy Rui when she and her mother were in Turkey to visit Alan, I guess. Pick up Alan and Annie. They go to this bizarre bazaars. And she bought a whole year like you see in the movies. Kind of like a cloth sack filled with gems. Oh yeah. And she says they don’t know whether it was glass or what have you. They didn’t care. This bizarre owner you know, open the strings to the fluffs person, kind of stuff. Woon the contents on the table and she says would sets a flare and they said we’ll take it. We don’t care what it is, do they ever have it appraised, turned out to be value? Oh, I think there were some valuable ones. But there were some kind of just like that, you know, can you imagine having somebody spilled out on the table and say, well, it’s yours for $10 you know? It is fun. Yes, that’s a very lovely green.

40:29 I think this is going to have this international is pretty. Got a number on. Yes.

40:44 Wonder what that is? Oh, it reminds me of some petrified wood. I wonder if that’s what it is. It’s lovely.

40:54 You’re going to have an International Bazaar on campus tomorrow.

40:58 And Saturday. Do you know what kind of a bizarre?

41:02 You see stuff from a lot of different countries? I always go for that. Whatever. So where would it be? I’m on the ad lOn. Well, that

41:13 would be nice. Yeah. That’s that’s part of the international something. Celebration. Yeah. Did you get to attend president’s inserts?

41:23 I did go. Yeah. It’s nice. Yeah,

41:26 it’s something positive. Yes. Big extravaganza? Well, I

41:31 mean, I don’t know what would have cost a whole lot about if I didn’t stick with our freshmen. But other than that, it’s Yeah, I guess there’s always a big cost now in in in setting up the Kibbie dome

41:44 for anything. Oh, they had you mean they had to pay for the Kibbie dome? Well, they

41:48 don’t pay for the kid at home, but they have to, I don’t know

41:51 hire people last year,

41:54 but it wasn’t really an expensive extravaganza at all.

41:57 Well, paper played up to $30,000 but that’s really not that big.

42:02 Spent that on on bringing the guest speakers probably

42:06 probably. How about the refreshments that’s provided for by the university, but they

42:11 probably had to pay for that.

42:12 But what’s not very much

42:14 I didn’t stay but I saw somebody bring back you know, his cake and supplement didn’t look like a big deal. It was late.

42:23 Oh, here okay.

42:28 Okay, before before, let me let me read again. Certainly Idaho has moved richer because of the contributions certainly Idaho has been richer because the contributions and hard work of its Asian Americans obtaining acceptance and recognition has not been easy for them has not been easy for them good. Yeah. has not been easy for them but in spite of the struggles of starting life over in a strange land life over but in spite of the struggles of starting life over in a strange land and the pain of prejudice, they have had to face Facebook alone. Okay, certainly had a host become richer because of the contributions and hard work of Asian Americans. Obtaining acceptance has not been easy from emphasize not but in spite. Okay.

43:15 And remember starting over is one story starting over as one verb you know, it’s not starting over don’t pause.

43:24 Oh, yeah. Starting over. Starting over starting over.

43:29 Is she writing on me? She read my camera okay. She could hear me you hear me?

43:46 Yes

43:53 my phone off. Oh, okay. How’s that? Okay. Issues issue centered rent. Control, issue centered right.

44:11 Thank you. Okay. Okay.

44:29 Certainly Idaho has become richer because of the contributions and hard work of the Asian Americans. Obtaining acceptance and recognition has not been easy for them. But in spite of the struggles of starting life over in a strange land, and the pain of the prejudice they have had to face the people we spoke with place a high value on the beauty and advantages of the state in which they live. One constant theme heard in all our interviews was that Idaho is my home If I lost it again, then

45:03 I’ll do it. Okay

45:10 Oh well we do we switch right to Well, no, we go to all those other people anyway. Say now the whole is my home. Yeah.

45:24 Okay

45:29 yeah

45:32 I missed that last line again, Joanne, I can’t do it again. He wants to do it again.

45:39 He’s reminding him to make sure it’s okay.

45:45 And you have to do them in a row or six Monday nights, but you’re going to do six sessions to come up with a two year or three year goal for your group. You tell me how we can structure those sessions, what we can do in them to make them very creative. Lots of fun, exciting. And so people’s minds get to open up to some of the dreaming I was suggesting in the first half. What would we do call it out? Good settings who said it? Great with like, where might we not meet in the office? Don’t meet me Office meeting good settings. Like where might we need homes, outside retreat centers away from the office and away from phones. What else might we do to make them fun? We might use brainstorming real legitimate brainstorming where everything goes, you just splash it up there. You don’t get to turn and say we did that it didn’t work. We tried that it failed. It’s a horrible idea for Spokane. That wouldn’t work. You mean all that negative stuff we throw on people? Do you know what I mean? Up Joanna. And then we get completely negative and mean. What we want to do is allow the brainstorming to take off and it goes wild real good brainstorming what else do we do? feed people feed people well feed people often. Eat early eat late as Mayor Daley used to say vote early vote often. Eat early eat or feed people feed them well start with a song so people are doing something creative from the start singing enjoying themselves. What else will we do? Visualization, visualization, do some kind of imaging or vision in imaging visualization that gets people out of the humdrum day to day thinking about the work what else might we do Michael? Absolutely get the key players there. So somebody later doesn’t say that’s a great plan. But I wasn’t involved deciding that we would abandon other programs and only focus on that and then suddenly they are suddenly deflating everybody’s enthusiasm. I wasn’t there. Get the right people involved. What else do we do? What else we I have heard groups do light and lively is what I call lighten Lively’s, fun things sharing things. We’ll do some light Lively’s this weekend, I have to tell you that I’ve heard groups do very funny things. I’ve heard groups use a lot of silence, where people thought and wrote on their own without saying it for a while. So they could formulate a whole thought without somebody else either squashing it or adding to it or anything and people have used music, background music tapes, whatever, you know, some of these techniques, use them to make it exciting. So it is not the dry, awful, very left brain brain process that people fear it will be lack of spontaneity groups feel that doing long range planning will kill the spontaneity of the whole organization, will it? Okay, why won’t it somebody some of you said no, why won’t it? How are we going to counter that argument? Why doesn’t it kill the spontaneity of the organization? Our duty? Thank you. You don’t have
to long range plan absolutely every aspect of your group. Absolutely. You can pick one goal. Well, how else does it not Sonia. George Leakey who is one of the organizers and founders of movement for new society, and Philadelphia says, making a long range plan. I love his phrase. He says it allows you to harness the energy of intentionality. You know how when you know you’re going to do something, you can suddenly rise to doing it. With Sarah Pirtle can announce that she’s going to write a children’s book, she can suddenly find the time make it a priority. It’s harnessing the energy of intentionality I will blank. And I think energy rises. What else can we do about spontaneity in our group? I use an example earlier in the earlier half. I said there are people who will love to respond to crises happening in the world, there will always be those people in the group, what can they form? The Rapid Response Network Exactly. Every group will have some people who do love the day to day crisis and the responding and the reacting. They just do and you know, God bless them. We need them to because they can form a rapid response network. I know a group that has a rapid response network and darn it if those people don’t truly stay up till midnight writing a press release and getting four letters and getting other people in the group to just sign them because they’ll type them up and running down and putting them in the night slot. I’ve done that I’ve gone through our local paper and put it in the night slot. So it’s there in the morning. There are people who love to do that, given them that job. There are people who can pull off a vigil and 24 hours, there’s only eight of them out there, but they’re out there with the banner in there, then give them that to do that’s fine. You can we can find a place for everybody. So when you said to squash the spontaneity in our group, I don’t believe it. I don’t believe it. I think we’re about overvaluing that I think we’re overvaluing that we get to be spontaneous. What is it? What’s it a code word for? When you hear we’ll lose our spontaneity? What is it somewhat of a code word for I like this group maintaining its ability to constantly React, React. And I think that gets old fast. We can stay reactive forever. We can have a vision and go on. Jan, are we into things that are reducing resistance, and I want another one? Why people resist this to come to a consensus about a goal. And I wonder if that would be difficult. Yeah, consensus building can be hard. In fact, I am going to help you build consensus consensus building around a goal. In fact, I’m going to help you with a process that does that. In fact, people fear that the group actually coming together on something is going to be harder than it is often people feel relief, that the group is actually focusing on something. And I’m going to show you a process that builds consensus over six weeks. So we will tackle that one in our six steps. So let’s get it up there because it’s right. People fear it. And it’s why they will tell you they don’t want to do it. Why else resistance consent continues? Why else do people say they think this is a good idea, but it’s a good idea for another group? They don’t want to do it Joanna position? Absolutely. Absolutely said again, their positioning? Absolutely. What it does is it threatens leaders. It threatens leaders, and it does. Why do I mean, why do I put it up there like that? How does it threaten leaders? They are not sure they want the group to go through this at all, because it may limit their power, which it should, people are going to be able to take pieces of the plan and carry it out delegate work, see where they’re going measure the success involve more people, it actually might attract more volunteers. And in fact, leaders can be threatened. And they won’t say that straight out. They will say other things that won’t straight out, say I think it’s going to limit my power. I think it’s a bad idea who’s gonna say that? No, I mean, you know, but what might they say? What might their other lines be? Over time, we don’t have the time. That’s a wonderful one. When a leader sits there and says long range plan, we don’t have the time to make it, we have to take it slow. We got we have to we don’t have the money, we don’t have the time. All of that is see through that cloud, it may be saying you know, I’ve got a feeling we’re about to share some power, or equalize some some decision making around here. And I don’t think I like it at all. Be ready to deal with that. Because what Joe said is absolutely true. It threatens the authority or the power of certain leaders, it can call people on their founders disease, you go back to the original vision often and it’s huge, but the leaders hold on to it like you’re violating it. Now, that will be the smokescreen, and let’s put up with Carol said, let’s put that one right up here. People will tell you that they cannot engage in the process because they simply have no time. Oh, engage in six sessions. It’s gonna take six evenings to make a long range plan. Some groups have the luxury to do that. But are certainly doesn’t. We were in, you know, people will tell you straight out that they would rather hold on to their little events that are planned for the next few months, ad infinitum, than to take the time and maybe even lay down a program or not do an event to take the six sessions to plan a direction for two years. It’s just playing false economy. It’s sort of a crazy answer. We don’t have the time to be well organized. We’d rather be less effective than our community, we’d rather be wedded to our events. Exactly, exactly. We don’t have the time to know where we’re going in three years, we’d rather limp along, we’ll say how can we possibly project three years in the future? Well, the alternative alternative is, we just work with the data we have week by week and keep responding to it. They did this horror, we respond. They did that horror we object. That’s data addiction, because it’s all coming down from Washington and the right wing and we stay reactive and negative. We have enough data to know where we’re going and to believe in it. But you are not alone. I mean, people will say that. The response I think is we know in this group where we want to be let’s stop hooking our plans on to the catastrophes in Washington. We’re fine now what’s wrong with the way we are? We’re fine now. Don’t fix it. If it’s not broken and there you are standing in front of the group trying to convince them that it’s broken. That’s a very hard place for you. We’re fine now why can’t we keep functioning as we are some wouldn’t respond to that being said in the group. What does that do to us running a long range or suggesting a long range planning process? We’re fine. Everything’s been just fine for four years. Andrea, it puts you very much on the defensive. And what’s a way out of that comment? Anybody can think of one. Okay, bye.

55:19 Okay, bye. Okay, bye. You’re just continue along your merry road and say, you know, that’s not what I’ve been hearing. In fact, meetings of getting been getting smaller events were running or attracting fewer people money seems to be an issue and folks that I’ve been told you’re feeling some despair about the group, give them back the facts about their group, say it to them. And if you fear this, talk to people about the group before you go in. So you can say, you know that my experience isn’t that it’s been actually quite different, which is that events are not as successful as they have been that people are groping for a future. And people are wanting a sense of knowing where we’re going. So my experience isn’t that, in fact, we’re fine at all, Bill,

55:59 another long range planning thing I was involved with, it was suggested that you identify people who tend to be blockers, yes, at a time, ganging up on him.

56:08 That’s nice. That’s a nice concept gang right up on them for the meeting. You can you can talk to them individually, that people who will in fact object and you can absolutely count on it. Yeah, you can wire the meeting, you can get people there who you know will agree with it. And you can also talk to blockers individually. So the lifecycle of the organization, my experiences, friends, we’ve consolidated, but we’re also dipping down and hear the Simpsons. So you’ll hear this, and I for one, don’t buy it. I don’t know very many groups still doing the short term events who are fine now. I just I see the symptoms of the fatigue and the despair. Any other ones? Exam? That’s common. What do you mean long range planning? What they will tell you straight out is they’re unskilled they don’t know how to do it. What do you respond? You learn to process Thank you very much. Here’s how he says very simply, here’s how, at that point, you say funny you should ask. Happy to go to this workshop. And I have six steps up my sleeve. So one, two, absolutely. You say here’s how the people will tell you that we we don’t know how to do this when you mean long range planning to your goal. They feel inadequate. Speak to it. Speak to let me tell you some of the ones that Haha, what number am I up to? 12 with somebody take notes for Joanna. to I think I’m up to 10. Thank you very much. What big fear at this point in the workshop came up in Albuquerque? Why were those people having a real hard time in their groups making long range plans? Nature nature? And I tell you, I think it does permeate our movements. It was real clear in the workshop in North in New Mexico. But those folks did not want to set long range plans. And they admitted to it in the workshop because there was some fear of succeeding. What am I talking about? What is fear of success in a movement that says it wants to win and make change and has a vision of a different kind of world? What is our fear of success company? Misery loves company what else? People actually are now worried about their jobs. We have a lot of people who have jobs and peace centers in peace and just end there. That is a truthful statement. When you talk to people they will say that winning may mean that they are out of jobs and they have wedded their life to this work. What else is our fear of success? Responsibility? Absolutely, it comes with new responsibility and new accountability. And also what I heard in New Mexico, and what I’ve heard before, is that some people believe that if we start succeeding, we’re going to start looking like the enemy. That if we lay long range plans and get more organized and lose our spontaneity, and actually know where we’re going, we’re gonna look like GE, IBM, and the Pentagon. Exactly. And I don’t buy it just like I don’t believe money corrupts, or power corrupts, or long range plans corrupt. I believe, for every minute that we can hold on to our integrity and know where we’re going. We don’t have to look like GE because we have a two year plan. We don’t have to look like the Pentagon because we’re promoting something for once. But I do think it is a fear in the movement and in New Mexico. They were articulate about it. I mean, when no one went to six, seven or eight, wouldn’t you be worried? Really, and this came up loud and clear and it wasn’t number 10 They just said we don’t want to make long range plans because we’re not sure we want to win

59:53 have a lot of a lot of fear around that we are movement devoted and wedded to Adhocracy we’d love it. Do you make an ad hoc you excuse it, that didn’t work because we had too little time to plan it. That wasn’t a success, because we just we didn’t have enough time to pull that one off. People love to excuse complete failures, because we just didn’t have enough time to do it. You make a long range plan and you see how you’re doing. You can measure it. You can call a group, you can call Little Rock, or you could because it’s done and say, Have you raised the money for the water purification? Say, Have you bought any part of it? Is any engineer willing to go down there to yes or no? They’ve got real answers. Do you have any vets in the school? That’s their project, and Youngstown? Do you have anybody going into the schools, where we expect it to have trained 15 By now we’ve only trained nine, but we’ve trained nine, they can actually tell you how they’re doing. We love to excuse our failures. Because we didn’t have enough time that one didn’t work, we really had to pull that off quickly. That one was marginal, but we’re hanging in there. We love it. Ha cracy I think this is a real fear in our movement. Let me share with you, I seem to quote the great guru in the sky. Major General period Smith all the time, I really do love him. I devoted to this man. And I want to tell you that what astounded me who I know made sure to interfere. I’m you know, his hidden admirer, Major General Perry ham Smith has a wonderful article here. Let me just read you the second paragraph. Because it’s a little bit out of context here. But it’s actually a good paragraph, and it will help us frame the rest of today. And then I’m going to tell you what he was when he lists this the resistance in the Air Force to deal with long range planning. It’s great. But this is his second opening paragraph, I read it for quoting him. Long Range Planning will never solve all the problems. But it does create a mindset in top leaders that causes them to ask the right questions when they make tough day to day decisions. The most important thing for a decision maker to ask and in respect to long range planning and thinking is the following question. How does the decision I am about to make fit into my vision of the future? My long range plan and my long range priorities? And you know, it’s a good question. It’s a good question. So Sarah Pirtle, somebody has my book. So yes, Sarah Pirtle could say if I intend to write every day, and I have a son, and I have a job, and I am on several boards, how does this decision I’m making today to do other work affect the fact that in five years, I’m expecting to have a book out and published and I’m not going to have any time to write today, tomorrow or next week. Did you get that question? How does the decision I’m about to make fit into my vision of the future?